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Northwest radio hello and welcome to

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paranormal mysteries here on access

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Northwest community radio here in lovely

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Liverpool tonight's show is once again a

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Larry Warren themed show as I explained

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last week where he claims to be the

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whistleblower to the Rendlesham forest

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incidents which was three days of highly

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unusual activity which involved

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personnel from a US Air Force military

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base in Suffolk England in December 1980

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over the Christmas holiday period the

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debate still rages about what those

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events were some say it was entirely

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mundane events perceived to be unusual

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such as a meteor a lighthouse police

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lights and a burning truck of animal dog

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others think it was alien in nature

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inter-dimensional are people from the

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future and others believe it to have

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been a military exercise but whatever

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happened it was definitely not the norm

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and people have been left traumatized

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and deeply affected by those events

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which were suppose agree was not the

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Larry Warren claims to have participated

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in these events but his stories changed

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with every telling and having known him

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for almost 10 years

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I witnessed his rewrites when I became

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aware of these problems I just couldn't

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keep them to myself so today I will take

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you through some of the problems that I

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found at one point Larry Warren's friend

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put to him questions we were all asking

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and for Larry to clear things up once

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and for all

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however he just told my lies on top of

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the lies already told so I will be

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addressing those two

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this clip is from a video that's on the

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citizens saying YouTube channel and is

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contacts in the desert

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and was recorded in 1993 there were 70

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of us some people were English there was

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some Bobby's there from the town of

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Woodbridge which is very close and a lot

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of people reacted in their own ways

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they're terrified there were a couple

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suicides because of this and I just

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happened to be the loudest whistle

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blower I certainly wasn't the first I

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was the one that got through and tell

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him to tell us Luba so there you hear

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him say I am NOT the original

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whistleblower I am just the loudest he

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also claims that two people took their

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own lives this is in fact not true in a

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later interview he says that it was his

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roommate Alabama who shot himself in the

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head basically that is not true either

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the person that is referring to did

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struggle after the events and he went

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home and he went AWOL and they had to go

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and get him back but that wasn't him

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killing himself so that's actually a

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there are also some discrepancies over

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the dates that these events happened and

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the dates that Warren was actually

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involved in in the book clear intent he

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statement is out Wallace it's the 29th

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the 29th and he left at Eastgate it's

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the 27th so the dates have changed

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consistently also his whereabouts during

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those days those first days of activity

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change he says he was on base but at

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some point in time his story changes and

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he says that he was in Germany for two

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days and came back on the 27th for duty

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that's not what he says in this early

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interview and our myth apologies for the

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background noise it is actually part of

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the first two nights of events have been

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waters I wasn't involved in that from

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what I know from firsthand witnesses was

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a series of events took place beginning

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what was assumed to be an aircraft

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crashing in the forest was investigated

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by three airport security police they

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were given permission to go off the base

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welcome to the woods they came upon a

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trying your craft they followed this

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object through the pine forest it had to

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be rather small to maneuver through the

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trees they pursued it for a good hour

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and a half and they finally lost it

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before they knew it they went into a

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in this clearing was dis object brightly

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illuminated one of the officers involved

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have sidearm 38 caliber pistol and drew

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about to fire on it when the object

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turned itself off is that you turn the

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four hours went by these three Airmen

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were missing in the forest they couldn't

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finally by the end of it they were found

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brought their reports nevertheless I

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inferred regressive hypnosis but on two

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of the individuals involved not the

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turban and a full scale abduction

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this information hasn't been released

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sightings this is the best we can

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the dates and that's vague because I

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know some people that were peripherally

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involved in that but there were more

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just observations in the sky

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on the first day of the date of the

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first night's events was on the

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like the evening of the 26th of December

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the following that would have been the

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27th into the 28th and the third night

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that's my involvement would be the 28th

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I think it's Tuesday night well what

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happened to me I don't know how the

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event terminated I heard stories that

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the sting flew off at a tremendous rate

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of speed quote unquote that I didn't see

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that happen I went back to the base of

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Santa Rampur while drinking coffee was

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in shock as with other Air Force guys

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that went through it security police the

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day shift was coming on eight life and

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everyone had heard some account of these

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events going on I've seen the

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our immense tourism all that in

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we were relieved from duty I went back

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to my room sat around put out an order

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clapping record and

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to set there

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try to wonder what was going on I had an

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awful taste in my mouth I had some gray

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hair which I mean you know

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and my eyes hurt you're watering

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it seemed like a dream I never did sleep

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breakfast was with other security police

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to say something another sergeant who

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she had on that clip there is not one

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mention of him going to Germany and in

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fact he's on base and hanging around

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these other events on the first two

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that he said that he suffered some

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damage he said that he had gray hair he

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had a nasty taste in his mouth and his

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eyes hurt yet in the CNN documentary

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that he did prior to this interview he

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says that none of them were hurt by this

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phenomena and in other interviews he

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says that he was in Germany for the

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first two nights and in his book left

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about the 27th of December having gone

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to Germany for two days to spend some

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time with these girls and he left on

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Christmas Eve so obviously there's the

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lie somewhere he was either on base or

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it was in Germany which was it on the

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night in question I I should set it up

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for you two nights before the event I

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was involved in there was an amazing

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encounter with three or four security

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policemen off the east gate of RAF

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Woodbridge which was our sister base

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from Bentwaters six miles away and these

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gentlemen encountered some very bizarre

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things they had missing time all sorts

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of negatives happened to them senior

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people on the base really didn't believe

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it the next night something else

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happened which is rather vague we still

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haven't pulled up everything on that I

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had been in Germany for two days I had

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three off so I had a few days and on the

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28th of December we'd be starting our

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shift again I got back to the base on

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the late on the 27th and was unaware of

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fo events and the next morning spent the

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day of the city of Ipswich then came

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were in a heightened state of readiness

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because of events in Poland with

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solidarity and liqui less them are those

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things in this next clip that was

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saucers of London conference in finally

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on base and had been to apes which for

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the day midday about 13 hours before the

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third night begins December 1980 is the

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main gate to RAF Bentwaters why do I

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have a picture well I went over there

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was a real bad camera I had as a kid and

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it just was garbage so I went over the

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PX building commissary nappy economy

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went over here and I bought a key stone

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110 Instamatic camera I went with a

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friend remember that came Harper guy

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like that he had a car we want to go to

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if switch before our shift our first

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ship was on that night our swing seat

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flight was done there was no rumor mill

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nothing pubs are none [\h__\h] it was

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nothing

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sick of the rewrites guys I don't care

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who you know who your allies with this

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data and the Americans I don't like

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Larry I don't care it ain't true I was

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there I lived it you didn't I'm just

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being in general tell your friends I

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said it it's [\h__\h] I know

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I lived it I was there as part of it so

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I get my camera we pull up here he's

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taking us to hips which I want to check

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I did not know and this is some day I

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did not know everything shut down like

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Boston Mass on a Sunday back then

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everything was it goes down in Ipswich

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but so I want to check it out but Jim

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said I'll take you so me and a few other

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guys

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I said stop here I just tested the

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camera that's are what's important is

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thank God I took this picture it's in

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the book

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that's a guard shack for the entrance

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bulk user sandbags and blast walls we

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had a conditioned side and that's it

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that side will change to normal or alert

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now and two days into the incidents

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already which I am completely unaware of

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I where no one's talking about nothing

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Brenda Butler was not walking around

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this and nothing [\h__\h] nothing no one

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know I worked in I didn't know it I knew

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the guys I didn't even know it we were

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an alert for a reason because of these

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events there was an alert condition on

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these bases that sign proves it and look

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at how old that coverage anyway the it

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really is good that's kind of here but

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what we did and so we drove on and what

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I'm about to show you I my life has no

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and thank God for Facebook I took that

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picture we drive and we went to go he

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was bringing us to the free bus which

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was on the main gate of Woodbridge so we

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went through to the back gate of

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Woodbridge to go through so as he had

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did not clip he was in hips which and

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there was no room a mill which

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completely contradicts the other

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interview that he gave where he said

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that everyone was talking about it

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little green man a shift came on a

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flight came on and were taking the

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mickey out of all of them seeing little

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green man and everybody knew that the

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whole base knew in his finally talk he

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said there were no rumors

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nothing I knew guys who were involved

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and I knew nothing this next clip I'm

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playing is Chuck de carros CNN special

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assignment Bentwaters UFO incident 1985

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didn't look solid at all just look like

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a self-admitted you know a piece of

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light it was just odd it seemed like it

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was no sooner there that and blew up not

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outward or upward it just blew down with

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all these sparkles and different colors

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of light indescribable because it's

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beyond me how this thing this happened

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we weren't injured by it and I was very

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that clip that I've just played was from

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an early interview which is on YouTube

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and rocky Swanson's YouTube channel I

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also need to point out that in the clip

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I just played from contact in the desert

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where he's coming back from Germany he

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shift rotation was six days on and three

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days off going back on duty on the 28th

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we now know that all events were over by

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the morning of the 27th and so by this

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particular narrative he was not on duty

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we know his current narrative is that he

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was in Germany in 2017 where he went to

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Toronto to be interviewed by Sid

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Goldberg and his channel earth mystery

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news in this video he's discussing the

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letter he's and his mother he says he

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references the first night's incidence

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in the letter which is unusual he

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doesn't mention his own involvement

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there is no way to tell what was in that

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envelope the letter is dated six of Jan

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postmarked 7th of January in this earth

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mystery news clip he says a guy he knows

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on D flight at 3 a.m. saw a shooting

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star fall into the weapons storage area

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he now says he was that guy but no point

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in the narrative does anyone see a

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shooting staff on into the WUSA a beam

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of light was seen he also says that he

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and four other guys were walking back to

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base from Woodbridge he previously said

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he was in a car with friends going to

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and from Ipswich but also said he was

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coming back from Germany he says they

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saw a bright light go straight over as

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about fifty feet up so I see I think we

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saw the UFO - on the first night John

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Jim and Edie found lights in the trees

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it was static the following of the

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lights through the trees was the third

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night remember this was written 6th of

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January why was that the only mention of

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him seeing a UFO also he states that

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they were trained killers but they run

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away from witches and black magic the

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lesser is problematic as he's added bits

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in the PS in different pan this is the

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earth mystery news

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it's cult never before revealed in fall

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first ever written evidence on RAF

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Bentwaters what I'm holding is the

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actual letter I wrote to my mother on

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the 6th of January 1981 just days after

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the bent will Rendlesham forest

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incidents it predates the halt memo by a

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week and what I described in this is the

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first night's incidents because I had

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called my mother and been cut off on the

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phone and it got me in a lot of trouble

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so I figured that writer and be coy and

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tell her what they told us in the

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debrief about the first night's incident

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which actually I thought had happened

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just before we got out there and that

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wasn't the case so I thought I was being

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clever I was 19 and I took a big risk

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doing it and it got through and on this

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is the envelope that I sent to my mother

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and it's Armed Forces Air Force Postal

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Service stamped and Frank Frank marks my

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address in the military was a one airman

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first class Lawrence P Warren social

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security number 80 first security police

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squadron P o box 997 APO air post office

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New York oh nine 755 - my mother miss

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Joann a Warren 90 - seven Robert Kearns

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apartments weeks Road Glens Falls New

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York one two eight oh one and that zip

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code now is Queensbury 102 a tow force

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it's a long time ago that's the actual

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envelope and on the back of it I write

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PS I forgot to put in the letter

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something with the letter what is Jeff's

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address and that was a friend of mine

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and there's some of my mother who was a

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bookkeeper there some of her doing

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probably doing her bills on the back of

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the envelope that's her handwriting and

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that's that I wrote funny there's

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cartoons here and I wrote I drew Larry

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Jeff and Steve these are two guys I

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brought in the Air Force and then I put

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my recruiter his head sticking out of

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the

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Jack Gorman was his name and I roji who

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can I [\h__\h] today because the Air

430
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Force had gone sour for me at that point

431
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so the letter is you know that's the one

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so there's a lot of history you know

433
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current events in this letter

434
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not just the incident which gives to the

435
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authenticity but I figured after I got

436
00:20:22,790 --> 00:20:19,710
cut off on the phone I'd have to follow

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without position worried so at 6 January

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81 which is the military way to write a

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date not the American Way but the

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military we do it like the English do

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and I wrote dear ma Sam as my sister and

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Mike who was our cat can't help it

443
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that's how it was how was things at home

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I hope good I'm ok

445
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I wasn't please don't be too upset that

446
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it has taken me so long to write I think

447
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that was because I told you all I was

448
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doing on the phone and could not think

449
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of anything else to say so page 4

450
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remember I was telling you about that

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UFO that landed well I'll tell you the

452
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whole story on it over Europe and

453
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England a bunch of lights were seen over

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London one of the lights broke into

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about 20 smaller lights and flew in all

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directions at about 3:00 in the morning

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a guy I know and deflate of security

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police told me of course I was the guy

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that was being clever he reported a

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falling star outside the weapons storage

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area post officer I can't tell you what

462
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they keep him there but use your

463
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imagination anyway he reported it and

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then everyone started feeling strange

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then a guy on the back gate at

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Woodbridge reported a bright light

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moving through the pine forest we didn't

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even know the name it was Rendlesham

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then an officer and two sergeants

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responded but they could not I say I

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didn't know who they were they could not

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take weapons because they were off-base

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over the radio they're printing an

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object

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about seven by eight feet in size but

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they said every time they would get near

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it it would seem farther away all of a

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sudden they also said that all the

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animals in the forest were going nuts

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that all of a sudden the light went out

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and over the radio they said they didn't

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like the situation who wanted to go back

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to base but they were told to keep on

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investigating then they said the thing

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appeared behind them it seemed like it

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was playing games after three and a half

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miles of following the thing through

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countryside and woods the thing just

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disappeared in the field it was only

490
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about ten feet off the ground this is

491
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what a friend of mine said he heard on

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the radio at the same time me and five

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other guys were walking up a dark road

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about two miles from the base back from

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Ipswich because we couldn't get a ride

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missus before my incident kicked off and

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we felt like we were being watched and

498
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it was strange because there were no

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streetlights then we saw a bright light

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go right over us about fifty feet up and

501
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just fly over a field it was silent we

502
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first thought it was an a-10 jet but

503
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they scream so he ran away because

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witchcraft and black magic is big in

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this part of Suffolk oh and we thought

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that witches were in the woods because

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that light just seemed to jump over the

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trees the next day it turned out we're

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in the same place is the UFO so I think

510
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we saw it too now the three people who

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chased it can't and won't talk about it

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at all and supposedly no animals have

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gone back in the woods yet they did find

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two landing sites and supposedly some

515
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equipment left behind a big c-130 this

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is an important man because came in and

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took something in a crate away and a few

518
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days later and the guards were flown in

519
00:24:09,710 --> 00:24:08,100
from somewhere else it is strange and

520
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now I hear the strange things have been

521
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going on in that in the forest for the

522
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past few weeks and remember we did get

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cut off on the phone

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so I was being very cool it's hilarious

525
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now to read it kind of know and feel

526
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like my sunroof it's I'm trying not to

527
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upset my mother and I'm like oh well my

528
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life's been screwed so I go through this

529
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telling the first night's event I try to

530
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put in what did happen to us earlier I'm

531
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thinking I can't get in trouble really

532
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distancing myself oh man our New Year's

533
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Eve you know about 20 of us had a great

534
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time and jumped in fountains and all

535
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this I can't even read it I just hope if

536
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it comes down to be getting out cuz I

537
00:25:01,730 --> 00:24:58,769
wanted to get out right away you don't

538
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hold that hold it against me tell Sam

539
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that's my sister to work hard in school

540
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it was the last year of high school

541
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she's the grandmother now it's almost

542
00:25:13,580 --> 00:25:11,399
over for her now tell her pull the cat's

543
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ears for me and MA like I always said

544
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don't work too hard

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PS ma and I wrote this in the post

546
00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:18,869
office and then after thought before I

547
00:25:23,419 --> 00:25:21,480
left in a different pen because I was

548
00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:23,429
just about to mail it and I got it and

549
00:25:28,399 --> 00:25:25,710
alright our base post office I wrote PS

550
00:25:31,159 --> 00:25:28,409
mom when I get home I'll tell you the

551
00:25:35,090 --> 00:25:31,169
truth about the UFO I can't in the mail

552
00:25:38,659 --> 00:25:35,100
they read it this is the logic of a 19

553
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,669
year old unsophisticated kid very

554
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:41,039
confused and trying to pretend

555
00:25:45,409 --> 00:25:42,809
everything's great but please let me I'm

556
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:45,419
trying to tell you something here but it

557
00:25:50,980 --> 00:25:48,110
verifies the phone call it verifies

558
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:50,990
definitely the first night it verifies

559
00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:54,330
I'm the guy on D flight a friend on D

560
00:25:58,999 --> 00:25:57,059
flight but it's so disjointed and

561
00:26:00,859 --> 00:25:59,009
bizarre and my head was so wrong and

562
00:26:04,220 --> 00:26:00,869
this is before the halt memo was even

563
00:26:06,409 --> 00:26:04,230
typed by a week it's describing the

564
00:26:08,389 --> 00:26:06,419
first night well I'm describing the

565
00:26:10,820 --> 00:26:08,399
first night because in our debriefing we

566
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:10,830
had that basically outlined to us and

567
00:26:14,749 --> 00:26:13,289
therefore I thought that all this must

568
00:26:17,989 --> 00:26:14,759
have happened in one night and we were

569
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:17,999
responding to that incident it turned

570
00:26:23,779 --> 00:26:20,490
out a couple years later it was not the

571
00:26:25,489 --> 00:26:23,789
same night but I thought I can't get in

572
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,499
trouble for writing what they're telling

573
00:26:28,910 --> 00:26:27,600
me because I wasn't in that first night

574
00:26:31,550 --> 00:26:28,920
wasn't on duty

575
00:26:34,550 --> 00:26:31,560
that's with them girls in Germany so why

576
00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:34,560
didn't you put in the letter what you

577
00:26:41,270 --> 00:26:38,460
saw on the third night what I was trying

578
00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:41,280
to do is confirm to my mother an

579
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:45,000
incident happened because I got caught

580
00:26:51,740 --> 00:26:48,410
calling her and I didn't want it

581
00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:51,750
verifies I'm the guy on D flight a

582
00:26:56,900 --> 00:26:54,840
friend I'm important to this so I told

583
00:26:59,960 --> 00:26:56,910
her what the federales told us in the

584
00:27:02,450 --> 00:26:59,970
debrief so she could have a sense of how

585
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:02,460
big it was as a very young [\h__\h] person

586
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,730
at this point and because I'm reading

587
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:07,200
this now and saying God yeah I'm jumping

588
00:27:12,290 --> 00:27:09,090
to all kinds of things I'm trying to be

589
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:12,300
Clara as I would have been in jail and I

590
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:14,850
wrote that because if I wrote what I

591
00:27:20,060 --> 00:27:17,250
went through then I would be accountable

592
00:27:22,940 --> 00:27:20,070
instead of hearsay and that's why I did

593
00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:22,950
that I that was my tactic and the end of

594
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:25,110
the letter I'm trying to give her a hand

595
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,090
cuz I couldn't send it just like this I

596
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,520
remember writing this letter it was dark

597
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:31,440
out so I was at my desk at the window

598
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:33,450
and my room it had books I could

599
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:36,210
remember writing this and I went to the

600
00:27:40,910 --> 00:27:38,250
post office the next day mailed it on

601
00:27:42,380 --> 00:27:40,920
the seventh the morning obviously and I

602
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:42,390
go to the post office I remember the

603
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:45,450
desk on here on the desk were here and I

604
00:27:49,070 --> 00:27:47,610
said you know before I went I go I'm

605
00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:49,080
gonna die there were some pictures with

606
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:50,220
this but nothing to do with the incident

607
00:27:56,330 --> 00:27:53,910
and I try to make a covert and that's

608
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:56,340
where I added on the desk real quick

609
00:28:00,170 --> 00:27:57,090
looking around

610
00:28:03,380 --> 00:28:00,180
PS mom when I get home I will tell you

611
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:03,390
the truth about the UFO I can't in the

612
00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:06,510
mail they'll read it and that was to

613
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:08,100
protect me as a very young person

614
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:10,410
thinking as being clever as the years

615
00:28:16,910 --> 00:28:13,290
went on and then obviously haunt wrote

616
00:28:19,820 --> 00:28:16,920
his memo and then two days after that my

617
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,830
mother responds to me well Larry you

618
00:28:24,170 --> 00:28:21,840
certainly explained your situation with

619
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:24,180
the UFO and as you know what you and

620
00:28:29,270 --> 00:28:26,970
others saw was just that a UFO it must

621
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,280
have been quite an experience and that

622
00:28:35,780 --> 00:28:30,960
was two days after halls memo was

623
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:35,790
written sat we sandwich in halts memo so

624
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:38,250
you wrote your mom to say I'll tell you

625
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:40,020
the real truth about it and I'll tell

626
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:41,910
you the truth you're referring to the

627
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:43,410
night that you experienced something

628
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,510
exactly which you couldn't speak about

629
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:48,000
your own story but you felt okay exactly

630
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:50,130
you were allowed to speak about the

631
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:51,930
story that would heard from the other

632
00:28:56,930 --> 00:28:55,500
guys and I we were debriefed and told

633
00:28:59,420 --> 00:28:56,940
that it wasn't a rumor with the

634
00:29:01,610 --> 00:28:59,430
debriefers told us basically an outline

635
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:01,620
that I wrote because I kept it in my

636
00:29:04,670 --> 00:29:03,330
head and I said well that must have been

637
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:04,680
they didn't tell us it was three

638
00:29:09,260 --> 00:29:07,380
separate nights that's all I said well

639
00:29:11,780 --> 00:29:09,270
that's why we went out there so we're

640
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:11,790
not alone in this you know as you heard

641
00:29:16,340 --> 00:29:14,490
about it from the debrief er I was told

642
00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:16,350
by the debris firs our whole room was

643
00:29:21,620 --> 00:29:19,500
that they described the outplay of some

644
00:29:24,650 --> 00:29:21,630
of the incidents yep I didn't know

645
00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:24,660
Penniston and Burroughs at all and they

646
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:27,000
so I just and that is pretty accurate

647
00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:31,080
for what happened to them and it's it's

648
00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:34,020
the only authentic original kind of

649
00:29:42,860 --> 00:29:37,740
account and I can remember writing this

650
00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:42,870
letter 35 years ago almost 36 years ago

651
00:29:48,590 --> 00:29:46,620
I can remember mailing it and I remember

652
00:29:51,410 --> 00:29:48,600
the afterthought I said I have to let

653
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:51,420
her know but it verifies also the phone

654
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:54,450
call and when we got cut off a hundred

655
00:29:58,700 --> 00:29:56,610
percent everything I said was verified

656
00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:58,710
here but that's why I was telling the

657
00:30:01,610 --> 00:30:00,360
first night's event because I said well

658
00:30:04,730 --> 00:30:01,620
I can't get in trouble for something I

659
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,740
wasn't involved in and if I tell what

660
00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:07,200
happened to me I could only do it in

661
00:30:13,460 --> 00:30:10,260
real life and that's the agenda there

662
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:13,470
that's what it was in the piece so you

663
00:30:17,930 --> 00:30:15,930
have just listened to he states that the

664
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:17,940
guys on the first night radioed in to

665
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:20,370
see if they could come back in yeah in

666
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:22,710
the early interview video he says that

667
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,050
they were uncontacted all by radio and

668
00:30:30,260 --> 00:30:27,120
were found wandering aimlessly in the

669
00:30:32,540 --> 00:30:30,270
woods he states in that earth mystery

670
00:30:34,790 --> 00:30:32,550
news clip that you've just heard that he

671
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:34,800
described decided to describe a night he

672
00:30:39,050 --> 00:30:36,690
was not involved in so he couldn't get

673
00:30:41,660 --> 00:30:39,060
into trouble so he described the first

674
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:41,670
night he then goes on to say that it was

675
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:43,770
a couple of years later that he found

676
00:30:48,170 --> 00:30:46,050
out they were different nights so how

677
00:30:49,370 --> 00:30:48,180
could he have known on the 6th of

678
00:30:51,650 --> 00:30:49,380
January in his life

679
00:30:54,860 --> 00:30:51,660
sir that he was describing the first

680
00:30:56,810 --> 00:30:54,870
night in his finally talk at the flying

681
00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:56,820
saucers of London conference in July

682
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:00,120
2015 in whole he describes his self as a

683
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:02,880
trend killer not the naive young lad

684
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:05,520
running from witches in the woods he

685
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:07,170
says he was fully trained ground

686
00:31:12,260 --> 00:31:09,450
defender twelve weeks training in San

687
00:31:13,790 --> 00:31:12,270
Antonio then he left East Gate he says

688
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:13,800
he took one month leave

689
00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:16,770
he arrived in San Antonia on the 22nd of

690
00:31:22,910 --> 00:31:20,340
August 1918 12 weeks training with four

691
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,920
weeks leave puts him at 16 weeks in the

692
00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:25,200
Air Force before landing in the UK for

693
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:29,070
the 1st for the 1st of December 12 weeks

694
00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:31,770
from the 22nd of August takes you to the

695
00:31:36,650 --> 00:31:34,590
14th of November plus four weeks leave

696
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:36,660
means he was actually on base around

697
00:31:41,690 --> 00:31:39,440
12th of December then two weeks of

698
00:31:45,380 --> 00:31:41,700
orientation puts his very first ever

699
00:31:48,140 --> 00:31:45,390
shift as a 28th of December which he has

700
00:31:51,770 --> 00:31:48,150
already stated in the first concert clip

701
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:51,780
I played if you recall it states in left

702
00:31:57,140 --> 00:31:55,110
east gate and to Syd Goldberg in 2017 he

703
00:32:00,500 --> 00:31:57,150
was in Germany for a couple of days and

704
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:00,510
came home on the 27th the entire series

705
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:02,610
of events were already over by the time

706
00:32:06,740 --> 00:32:05,010
he got on to his first shift on the 28th

707
00:32:08,510 --> 00:32:06,750
which was a Sunday

708
00:32:10,670 --> 00:32:08,520
he had gone to hip switch him one

709
00:32:17,270 --> 00:32:10,680
narrative but everything shot on a

710
00:32:18,890 --> 00:32:17,280
Sunday in 1987 the US Air Force wasn't a

711
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:18,900
popular thing to do my friends thought I

712
00:32:24,170 --> 00:32:19,530
was nuts

713
00:32:26,690 --> 00:32:24,180
I thought the Navy and I get seasick and

714
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:26,700
I wasn't going to do that for real and

715
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:28,890
then the army but the Air Force wanted a

716
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:30,510
higher standard a great you know

717
00:32:34,990 --> 00:32:32,220
entrance and I thought oh this would be

718
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:35,000
good and I wanted to go into

719
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:37,490
a combatant family you know the Air

720
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:39,289
Force isn't a lot of ground combat so we

721
00:32:44,110 --> 00:32:41,120
were like RAF regiment would be the

722
00:32:46,180 --> 00:32:44,120
closest thing I can relate to you and we

723
00:32:48,820 --> 00:32:46,190
were and so I chose the security for a

724
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:48,830
new security police field but I was in

725
00:32:52,299 --> 00:32:50,210
security police I was a security

726
00:32:55,149 --> 00:32:52,309
specialist there were two divisions with

727
00:32:57,310 --> 00:32:55,159
the cops on the beat and then there's

728
00:32:59,500 --> 00:32:57,320
guys like us she didn't see much and we

729
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:59,510
were all you know ready for combat and

730
00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:01,039
war and we had big guns

731
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:03,110
we were killers you know they were

732
00:33:08,620 --> 00:33:05,809
trained to kill that's sorry that's what

733
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:08,630
we did and it was the height of the Cold

734
00:33:13,779 --> 00:33:11,510
War was a hot time so I came back from

735
00:33:15,610 --> 00:33:13,789
England I said well I want to go to

736
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,620
England the Air Force we at that time

737
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:17,360
you asked a young kid now they don't

738
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:19,370
know we had American bases all over this

739
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:22,490
country at that time and I got the last

740
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:24,320
assignment at last country a choice

741
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:26,960
which was I chose England in the whole

742
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:29,650
US Air Force on the enlistment program

743
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:33,289
so I came in John burrows I was the same

744
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:34,730
rank as John burrows when all this

745
00:33:38,190 --> 00:33:36,110
happened they would say sergeant no it

746
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:38,200
was in Harriman for just like big

747
00:33:43,299 --> 00:33:40,610
Penniston was just a staffing that's all

748
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:43,309
but there's so many more guys so I go

749
00:33:49,090 --> 00:33:46,010
into basic training and I go through

750
00:33:51,419 --> 00:33:49,100
that and it was hot as hell in San

751
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,429
Antonio Texas hot as he died ever seen

752
00:33:54,970 --> 00:33:53,840
but then I look back now and I'm not

753
00:33:56,260 --> 00:33:54,980
going to go into it there's a lot of

754
00:33:57,820 --> 00:33:56,270
things not in there just didn't make

755
00:34:00,000 --> 00:33:57,830
sense or just to skip through the

756
00:34:02,260 --> 00:34:00,010
raindrops over the years over things

757
00:34:04,659 --> 00:34:02,270
what I'm saying maybe we were put in

758
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:04,669
place really you know and I will take

759
00:34:10,359 --> 00:34:07,010
questions you're at one where I will

760
00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:10,369
take questions no problem there's David

761
00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:12,070
Bryan you and

762
00:34:19,530 --> 00:34:14,830
there's no dead rat on someone so anyway

763
00:34:23,940 --> 00:34:19,540
so we you know he made us but so long

764
00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:23,950
story short from that long stories I I

765
00:34:28,140 --> 00:34:26,200
got in the security forces security

766
00:34:30,690 --> 00:34:28,150
police as they were known then security

767
00:34:33,659 --> 00:34:30,700
specialists which had SS was our symbol

768
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,669
we'd be marching SS the best element one

769
00:34:42,870 --> 00:34:35,679
second of none and you know God that God

770
00:34:45,330 --> 00:34:42,880
Jewish people weren't around and I came

771
00:34:47,310 --> 00:34:45,340
over I got to hurry of Bentwaters my

772
00:34:48,810 --> 00:34:47,320
first base I had been fully trained

773
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:48,820
night air base ground defense which was

774
00:34:54,150 --> 00:34:52,690
advanced ground offender training that

775
00:34:57,060 --> 00:34:54,160
they chose you whether you like it or

776
00:34:59,220 --> 00:34:57,070
not so I 12 weeks of Security Forces

777
00:35:02,430 --> 00:34:59,230
training before I even came to my first

778
00:35:05,130 --> 00:35:02,440
base so as you can hear the dates do not

779
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:05,140
add up he states he was on base from the

780
00:35:09,930 --> 00:35:07,450
1st of December even if that were true

781
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:09,940
it would not have been long enough so

782
00:35:15,420 --> 00:35:12,850
had extensive training in electronic

783
00:35:17,790 --> 00:35:15,430
security as he stated in the early

784
00:35:20,460 --> 00:35:17,800
interview videos where he's talking

785
00:35:22,380 --> 00:35:20,470
about the phone call to his mother he

786
00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:22,390
said that the phones were all monitored

787
00:35:33,590 --> 00:35:31,490
being the first civilian that I'm aware

788
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:33,600
of in the United States of America that

789
00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:37,200
knew of these events because after we're

790
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:38,820
told not to use the phones or write

791
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:41,890
letters Iran tulip

792
00:35:48,690 --> 00:35:44,710
bathroom with another witness to these

793
00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:48,700
events also and Kohima i reversed the

794
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:50,740
charges and I figured I wouldn't get

795
00:35:55,740 --> 00:35:53,050
nicked because I did that and I got her

796
00:35:59,250 --> 00:35:55,750
on the phone and she accepted the charge

797
00:36:01,020 --> 00:35:59,260
isn't I said back to my recollection I

798
00:36:04,170 --> 00:36:01,030
said mom you're never gonna believe what

799
00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:04,180
I saw last night you saw a UFO landed on

800
00:36:08,580 --> 00:36:06,430
the base and I realized that she wasn't

801
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:08,590
answering me and I was just talking to

802
00:36:13,460 --> 00:36:11,170
nothing she was gone I didn't hear the

803
00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:13,470
click or the phone get there

804
00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:15,390
well I looked at my egg break bathroom

805
00:36:18,829 --> 00:36:17,460
but I said you know I know I think I've

806
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,839
gotten kind of off so I called the

807
00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:20,640
operator that's that I reversed the

808
00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:23,220
charges you know read hook me up and she

809
00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:24,900
goes are you calling from the base and I

810
00:36:29,210 --> 00:36:27,000
said yes and she said well you were cut

811
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:29,220
off from the face I knew I was in

812
00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:31,020
trouble at this point because the phones

813
00:36:35,540 --> 00:36:33,420
are all not addressed so naive not even

814
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:35,550
think that especially after these events

815
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:37,650
the security measures were extremely

816
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:40,650
upgraded Colonel Hall makes the position

817
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:42,089
that the phone system in England is very

818
00:36:46,740 --> 00:36:44,970
antiquated but on a NATO air base of

819
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:46,750
that magnitude

820
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:50,760
juries is very very formidable

821
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:53,920
electronic security of silver and I had

822
00:36:58,350 --> 00:36:55,930
extensive training in that night I was

823
00:37:00,330 --> 00:36:58,360
just so anxious to talk to stone so I

824
00:37:02,130 --> 00:37:00,340
ran back to my room and within an hour I

825
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:02,140
had a notice to report for the hardened

826
00:37:07,470 --> 00:37:05,110
Communication Center for questioning

827
00:37:09,630 --> 00:37:07,480
which I denied everything until they

828
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:09,640
played back the tape of my phone call I

829
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:13,450
was fine I chose the finest of losing my

830
00:37:22,050 --> 00:37:17,440
stripes I only had two and in 1904

831
00:37:23,850 --> 00:37:22,060
stowing the $95 on that fly in 1986 that

832
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:23,860
was quite public in this sort of fitting

833
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:26,530
and I got a letter just as an amendment

834
00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:28,210
to the story I got a letter from the

835
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:30,040
Department of the Air Force accounting

836
00:37:36,060 --> 00:37:33,970
department in Denver Colorado and I was

837
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:36,070
still read it was more of the hype of

838
00:37:40,330 --> 00:37:37,730
Bentwaters of

839
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:40,340
well I'm a letter had stated that you

840
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:42,650
know mister 1uf the United States Air

841
00:37:50,050 --> 00:37:47,510
Force of 1981 owing $95 and 68 cents um

842
00:37:52,450 --> 00:37:50,060
you know and they didn't list a reason

843
00:37:53,770 --> 00:37:52,460
or anything and if you don't pay it will

844
00:37:56,290 --> 00:37:53,780
be forced to turn you over to the

845
00:37:58,030 --> 00:37:56,300
Internal Revenue Service it will be

846
00:38:00,880 --> 00:37:58,040
deducted from your taxes and you'll have

847
00:38:02,980 --> 00:38:00,890
bad credit and all this I simply wrote

848
00:38:04,990 --> 00:38:02,990
back a letter saying dear Department of

849
00:38:08,050 --> 00:38:05,000
the Air Force accounting department if

850
00:38:11,470 --> 00:38:08,060
you can demonstrate and list exactly why

851
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:11,480
I incurred that debt I will be glad to

852
00:38:16,540 --> 00:38:14,720
remit them out to you in full as you've

853
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:16,550
just heard he states that he was fined

854
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:18,890
for calling his mother even though they

855
00:38:23,830 --> 00:38:21,200
were all told not to tell anyone not to

856
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:23,840
speak about it on base or make any phone

857
00:38:28,510 --> 00:38:26,960
calls or write any letters he said that

858
00:38:31,450 --> 00:38:28,520
he chose the firing over losing his

859
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:31,460
stripes when in reality that would have

860
00:38:36,250 --> 00:38:34,010
seen him court-martialed and in jail you

861
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:36,260
do not sign non-disclosure agreements

862
00:38:41,110 --> 00:38:38,930
with the military then receive a fine

863
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:41,120
for breaking them he consistently

864
00:38:45,550 --> 00:38:43,310
reveals sensitive information and

865
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:45,560
reveals the names of personnel involved

866
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:48,110
had he signed those documents he would

867
00:38:51,820 --> 00:38:49,610
not have been running at the mouth from

868
00:38:55,630 --> 00:38:51,830
the get-go without consequence he would

869
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:55,640
have been in jail I want to skip right

870
00:38:59,380 --> 00:38:57,650
back to the start of all this when he

871
00:39:01,780 --> 00:38:59,390
was speaking under the name of out

872
00:39:03,780 --> 00:39:01,790
lawless when his account was completely

873
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:03,790
different to what it is today

874
00:39:09,220 --> 00:39:07,280
he told dot Street Brenda Butler and

875
00:39:11,380 --> 00:39:09,230
Jenny Randall's for the book sky crash

876
00:39:13,690 --> 00:39:11,390
that when they got to the field and

877
00:39:15,460 --> 00:39:13,700
closer to the object there was a ball of

878
00:39:17,860 --> 00:39:15,470
light that touched him on the head and

879
00:39:18,490 --> 00:39:17,870
when he woke up back in his bed it is a

880
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:18,500
barracks

881
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,720
he said he woke up on his roommate told

882
00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:22,400
him that he had been there for about an

883
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:22,760
hour

884
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:25,760
he told Brendan dot that he didn't see

885
00:39:32,140 --> 00:39:28,570
any aliens but that he felt a presence

886
00:39:34,750 --> 00:39:32,150
interest interestingly the same roommate

887
00:39:37,690 --> 00:39:34,760
according to Warren in his file a talk

888
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:37,700
later committed suicide and he shared

889
00:39:41,050 --> 00:39:39,410
that bit of information to the Philae

890
00:39:42,820 --> 00:39:41,060
audience by doing an impression of

891
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:42,830
somebody shooting themselves in the head

892
00:39:47,590 --> 00:39:45,920
with full sound effects but it seems to

893
00:39:51,340 --> 00:39:47,600
me that he was back at the barracks in

894
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:51,350
their room the whole time and as I've

895
00:39:57,790 --> 00:39:52,910
said before he called his roommate

896
00:39:59,770 --> 00:39:57,800
Alabama and was he in the

897
00:40:01,930 --> 00:39:59,780
all along our was he out with those guys

898
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:01,940
crying against the tree because that's

899
00:40:06,310 --> 00:40:04,610
who he said Alabama was and he's the guy

900
00:40:07,050 --> 00:40:06,320
that shot himself as he keeps bringing

901
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:07,060
that up

902
00:40:13,060 --> 00:40:10,610
but as I've already stated the guy were

903
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:13,070
referring to Alabama bought himself a

904
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:15,250
ticket home and flew off a wall

905
00:40:21,850 --> 00:40:19,010
so in the book sky crash he says he

906
00:40:25,210 --> 00:40:21,860
didn't see aliens he just remembers

907
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:25,220
feeling a presence more recently he said

908
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:26,930
that he hasn't seen he didn't see aliens

909
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,810
at all in fact the first time he

910
00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:32,000
remembers seeing aliens was when he was

911
00:40:36,220 --> 00:40:34,790
being regressed by Fred max the big

912
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:36,230
problem I have with that is that he

913
00:40:40,660 --> 00:40:38,570
actually faked that hypnosis session if

914
00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:40,670
you read you can't tell the people by

915
00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:42,950
Georgina Brunei you will read how he

916
00:40:47,050 --> 00:40:44,870
faked the whole session he said he

917
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:47,060
didn't want to disappoint anyone so the

918
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:49,520
very first time he saw aliens was when

919
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:52,490
he was faking hypnosis in Georgina's

920
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,530
book she said that she found it equally

921
00:40:59,320 --> 00:40:56,240
strange that there was no reference to

922
00:41:01,690 --> 00:40:59,330
this session or indeed Fred max in left

923
00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:01,700
at Eastgate especially as Larry has

924
00:41:05,980 --> 00:41:03,710
since trashed the newspaper article

925
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:05,990
surely this was important because he

926
00:41:10,570 --> 00:41:08,210
would apply to his involvement in the

927
00:41:13,530 --> 00:41:10,580
actual incident and would help to quell

928
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:13,540
the accusations that he was not involved

929
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:16,370
Georgianna says i decided to contact

930
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,770
peter robbins in new york who explained

931
00:41:22,450 --> 00:41:20,480
that the reason that the session with

932
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:22,460
fred max was not featured in their book

933
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:24,850
was due to a decision made by la ray

934
00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:27,530
when I push Peter for more information

935
00:41:32,980 --> 00:41:29,080
it turned out that for whatever reason

936
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:32,990
Larry was not put under hypnosis but had

937
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:34,970
just gone through the motion georgina

938
00:41:41,170 --> 00:41:36,530
then goes on to describe how she was

939
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:41,180
played a tape by dot dot Street where

940
00:41:46,330 --> 00:41:44,090
Larry admitted that he'd actually faked

941
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:46,340
the hypnosis she says in the tape

942
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:48,370
Larry's voice became very anxious

943
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:50,510
unfortunately the tape ran out so he

944
00:41:53,860 --> 00:41:51,770
only heard the first part of his

945
00:41:54,970 --> 00:41:53,870
statement but it was enough to confuse

946
00:41:57,250 --> 00:41:54,980
matters even mark

947
00:41:59,830 --> 00:41:57,260
he confessed to dot that the hypnotic

948
00:42:02,350 --> 00:41:59,840
session in nineteen eighty three had not

949
00:42:05,410 --> 00:42:02,360
been genuine because unbeknownst to the

950
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:05,420
hypnotist he is not fully hypnotized his

951
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:07,370
excuse was that he had gone along with

952
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:09,170
the pretense because someone there paid

953
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:11,450
for the session and they have said words

954
00:42:16,740 --> 00:42:14,240
the effect that it better be good and

955
00:42:19,060 --> 00:42:16,750
this is what it said in sky crash

956
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:19,070
initially art Wallis only felt a

957
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:21,050
presence and did not recall having seen

958
00:42:25,870 --> 00:42:23,810
any aliens but he did say that he

959
00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:25,880
suspected that his mind had just shut

960
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:29,030
out the images in his BBC interview he

961
00:42:33,580 --> 00:42:31,250
spoke about the possibility of a contact

962
00:42:35,980 --> 00:42:33,590
most definitely there was a definite

963
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:35,990
conversation took place it was with the

964
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:38,240
base commander at the time I believe he

965
00:42:42,850 --> 00:42:40,250
even shook one of the hands but this is

966
00:42:45,130 --> 00:42:42,860
hearsay their technology was amazing

967
00:42:47,590 --> 00:42:45,140
though I'd be lying if I told you I knew

968
00:42:50,380 --> 00:42:47,600
what was said here is a sharp excerpt

969
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:50,390
from the early interview video where he

970
00:42:58,180 --> 00:42:53,090
describes Gordon Williams the base

971
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,190
commander being there and present he was

972
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:00,800
simply there when Gordon wins who was

973
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:02,810
our Wing Commander who was present and

974
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:06,110
who had interaction with another life

975
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:08,210
I'll stand it to the site and put it's

976
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:14,480
proven otherwise apologizing yeah he is

977
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:16,730
in the finally talk saying that he never

978
00:43:20,620 --> 00:43:19,280
said that God and Williams's there and

979
00:43:23,890 --> 00:43:20,630
then nobody never said that he

980
00:43:27,250 --> 00:43:23,900
interrupted with aliens I say a thing

981
00:43:29,980 --> 00:43:27,260
came off the side which it did think of

982
00:43:31,570 --> 00:43:29,990
blowing a bubble it took me 35 years to

983
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,580
get this description because I think

984
00:43:35,140 --> 00:43:33,440
some people think a door opened him

985
00:43:37,450 --> 00:43:35,150
you know we exchanged there was no

986
00:43:39,610 --> 00:43:37,460
handshakes communication never said it

987
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:39,620
I've never said the general communicated

988
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:41,510
with anyone and he wasn't a general yet

989
00:43:46,210 --> 00:43:44,810
but I see it renewed all the time you're

990
00:43:49,690 --> 00:43:46,220
in the heart all that good guy you know

991
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,700
what I'm saying even now he says he

992
00:43:54,430 --> 00:43:52,160
never said he saw aliens he actually

993
00:43:56,380 --> 00:43:54,440
drew two typical greys for Barry

994
00:43:57,970 --> 00:43:56,390
Greenwood and Laurie Fossett for their

995
00:44:00,850 --> 00:43:57,980
research when they were writing the book

996
00:44:02,770 --> 00:44:00,860
Clarion's hence warren was eventually

997
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:02,780
written off by the authors freezing

998
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:05,090
consistencies in his accounts

999
00:44:11,140 --> 00:44:08,330
he not only drew aliens but told them of

1000
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:11,150
an underground alien base and provided

1001
00:44:15,130 --> 00:44:13,490
photos of hangars with descriptions of

1002
00:44:17,860 --> 00:44:15,140
them being the entrance to the

1003
00:44:22,450 --> 00:44:17,870
underground base he states categorically

1004
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:22,460
now that he never said he saw any of

1005
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:24,170
those things he's never said those

1006
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:28,370
things before okay I want to move on to

1007
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:31,760
when Warren was picked up from his guard

1008
00:44:36,850 --> 00:44:34,490
post there have been numerous people in

1009
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:36,860
the back of that Jeep Adrian boston's

1010
00:44:42,610 --> 00:44:39,530
and Bruce England usually feature but

1011
00:44:44,620 --> 00:44:42,620
who is driving changes also the person

1012
00:44:49,110 --> 00:44:44,630
who explains that the unexploded

1013
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:49,120
ordnance in the road that bit changes to

1014
00:44:54,580 --> 00:44:52,130
it's a road block guy in the Casey PS

1015
00:44:57,580 --> 00:44:54,590
show it is someone he knows from the

1016
00:44:59,710 --> 00:44:57,590
barracks in another and one time Adrian

1017
00:45:02,250 --> 00:44:59,720
Boston's are set it out of a window and

1018
00:45:05,230 --> 00:45:02,260
another time Warren says it himself

1019
00:45:07,060 --> 00:45:05,240
sometimes Bobby ball is in the Jeep in

1020
00:45:09,820 --> 00:45:07,070
left at Eastgate is a black officer

1021
00:45:11,890 --> 00:45:09,830
whose name he can't recall and more

1022
00:45:14,980 --> 00:45:11,900
recently in his file II talk

1023
00:45:18,980 --> 00:45:14,990
he says Stephen Guerra was with him this

1024
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,990
is all documented but

1025
00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:20,400
then we get to the bit where the driver

1026
00:45:24,830 --> 00:45:22,380
of the Jeep asks where the hell are we

1027
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:24,840
supposed to go here are two different

1028
00:45:30,109 --> 00:45:25,440
versions

1029
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:30,119
I go is here I changed my story I'm

1030
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:31,560
actually getting folks the one that's

1031
00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:33,690
had the most consistent one I might have

1032
00:45:38,780 --> 00:45:35,070
different views a little different that

1033
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:38,790
as time goes on but does that happen we

1034
00:45:43,850 --> 00:45:42,450
drove on I didn't know there were a few

1035
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:43,860
people that say they were off-duty there

1036
00:45:48,740 --> 00:45:46,770
actually there we met other vehicles at

1037
00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:48,750
the may old man gate of Bentwaters which

1038
00:45:54,290 --> 00:45:50,520
doesn't even exist now it's been grown

1039
00:45:56,510 --> 00:45:54,300
over hasn't it and I remember one of the

1040
00:45:58,880 --> 00:45:56,520
guys in the back mark his parents are

1041
00:46:00,290 --> 00:45:58,890
coming over for New Year's and we're

1042
00:46:02,030 --> 00:46:00,300
talking about that but we said must be

1043
00:46:05,210 --> 00:46:02,040
on an exercise and all it was in the

1044
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:05,220
thirties Fahrenheit no moon I remember

1045
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:06,690
Hall many years ago sanding up the

1046
00:46:10,370 --> 00:46:08,730
weather was exactly that they says a lot

1047
00:46:12,130 --> 00:46:10,380
of things but it was it was for me

1048
00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:12,140
wasn't that cold a night

1049
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,150
get down the end those flares on the

1050
00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:16,800
remember the long road picture I showed

1051
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:18,540
you with the trees there was a roadblock

1052
00:46:23,180 --> 00:46:20,730
there there was a Ford Cortina and those

1053
00:46:25,180 --> 00:46:23,190
law enforcement car it was a flare on

1054
00:46:30,190 --> 00:46:25,190
the road there's no one used those roads

1055
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:30,200
what was that oh it was just a bill and

1056
00:46:38,620 --> 00:46:34,290
that guy's freaking me out bad that bad

1057
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:38,630
the things people send me but they

1058
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:42,170
there's an open pickup truck so I'm here

1059
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:44,970
Steve's here on the wheel well this will

1060
00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:48,960
bench that we had a weapon rack just we

1061
00:46:53,450 --> 00:46:50,760
had the steering wheels on our side the

1062
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:53,460
state side that on our vehicles and this

1063
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:55,290
poor Cortina with this woman and she was

1064
00:46:59,540 --> 00:46:56,480
trying to get through the back gate

1065
00:47:01,490 --> 00:46:59,550
which was not used much at night and

1066
00:47:04,030 --> 00:47:01,500
they I remember the Ellie toner

1067
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:04,040
there might be an exploded ordnance

1068
00:47:09,170 --> 00:47:07,800
how's that about so we left that those

1069
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:09,180
little girl asleep next year we're

1070
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:11,090
obviously a soft looking

1071
00:47:17,660 --> 00:47:15,090
off we go so naive guys 19 years old

1072
00:47:20,570 --> 00:47:17,670
hidden in the Hellmouth that's what we

1073
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,580
did and we get down on the end and we're

1074
00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:23,040
left at his gate came from there we go

1075
00:47:27,740 --> 00:47:24,900
well there's a left at each gate well

1076
00:47:30,350 --> 00:47:27,750
you know what artistic license it's my

1077
00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:30,360
goddamn book I lived it I bled for it up

1078
00:47:35,090 --> 00:47:33,540
all day Ella we get down and someone

1079
00:47:38,450 --> 00:47:35,100
lieutenant England goes he was an

1080
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:38,460
ex-marine by the way does where the hell

1081
00:47:42,620 --> 00:47:39,930
are we supposed to go and it's a turn

1082
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:42,630
left after escape it was awkward for the

1083
00:47:49,090 --> 00:47:46,410
title that exit was from the flying

1084
00:47:51,980 --> 00:47:49,100
saucers of London conference in filing

1085
00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:51,990
this next clip is from the keeping the

1086
00:48:00,500 --> 00:47:54,780
paranormal friendly community talk show

1087
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:00,510
Katie PF and we moved down the main gate

1088
00:48:06,050 --> 00:48:03,690
of Bentwaters and there was a few

1089
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:06,060
vehicles there and we took off and we

1090
00:48:10,580 --> 00:48:07,650
turned just before I can went through

1091
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:10,590
this back narrow passage and we got over

1092
00:48:15,350 --> 00:48:12,780
to Woodbridge there was a roadblock at

1093
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:15,360
the end of Woodbridge flight line on the

1094
00:48:20,450 --> 00:48:17,910
road as you're going down not Eastgate

1095
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:20,460
Road yet the road was very rarely used

1096
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:22,200
that late at night particularly this

1097
00:48:26,180 --> 00:48:24,090
time of year there were some flares in

1098
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:26,190
the road two or three I think and we

1099
00:48:30,130 --> 00:48:27,900
stopped there was a Ford Cortina there

1100
00:48:34,130 --> 00:48:30,140
was a woman driver asking one of the

1101
00:48:36,620 --> 00:48:34,140
security guys on the street and he said

1102
00:48:38,810 --> 00:48:36,630
there was might be unexploded ordnance

1103
00:48:40,460 --> 00:48:38,820
and they were and it's looking into it

1104
00:48:42,620 --> 00:48:40,470
and they asked her turn around and go

1105
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:42,630
the other way to Woodbridge base and she

1106
00:48:46,460 --> 00:48:44,490
was a dependent and I can remember

1107
00:48:48,530 --> 00:48:46,470
looking off the back of I was on the

1108
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,540
right side of the pickup as we're going

1109
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:50,720
and I'm looking down and there was this

1110
00:48:56,510 --> 00:48:54,090
little girl asleep on the back seats and

1111
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:56,520
with a blanket on it so and a very clear

1112
00:49:01,160 --> 00:48:58,290
image in a white Ford Cortina should

1113
00:49:03,830 --> 00:49:01,170
English woman and we went past that and

1114
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:03,840
got down and someone said in the front I

1115
00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:05,280
think it was Sergeant Costanza where

1116
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:07,110
where are we supposed to go and the

1117
00:49:12,830 --> 00:49:10,650
secondary point where escape the the

1118
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:12,840
road down to where John Burroughs began

1119
00:49:18,290 --> 00:49:16,050
his thing and stevelou there was another

1120
00:49:20,030 --> 00:49:18,300
guy and they said turn left after he's

1121
00:49:22,370 --> 00:49:20,040
gay that's where our book title came

1122
00:49:24,650 --> 00:49:22,380
from a it just left it he's gate that

1123
00:49:27,140 --> 00:49:24,660
yeah

1124
00:49:29,450 --> 00:49:27,150
what's interesting about those clips is

1125
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:29,460
that not long after Adrienne Boston's

1126
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:31,890
are made some comments in public using

1127
00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:34,200
his own Facebook page talking to John

1128
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:35,940
Burroughs in a group that I'm not a

1129
00:49:41,090 --> 00:49:38,880
member of Larry Warren publicly accused

1130
00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:41,100
me of falsifying the statements by

1131
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:43,380
Adrienne Boston's a-- and suggesting

1132
00:49:51,110 --> 00:49:45,650
that I'd made a fake profile in

1133
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:51,120
Adrienne's name Adrienne says I don't

1134
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,010
remember Larry being there at that time

1135
00:49:57,500 --> 00:49:55,440
I remember going on picking up ball in

1136
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,510
England and driving out to the sighting

1137
00:50:03,620 --> 00:50:00,480
and I remember getting out there but not

1138
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:03,630
with Larry he said to John I've always

1139
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:05,460
had trouble remembering who went out in

1140
00:50:09,530 --> 00:50:06,510
the field with me

1141
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:09,540
but I remember talking to Holt and going

1142
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:12,960
in with you when you asked then later

1143
00:50:17,810 --> 00:50:16,050
he's talking about Larry he said he says

1144
00:50:19,790 --> 00:50:17,820
a lot of things about the incident that

1145
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:19,800
I know I told him and he couldn't have

1146
00:50:23,150 --> 00:50:21,330
been there because when I got back to

1147
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:23,160
the doms he had already been there to

1148
00:50:27,710 --> 00:50:25,920
the doms ladies so this is why I believe

1149
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:27,720
and I know that he has used a lot of my

1150
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,180
recollection I told him everything I

1151
00:50:33,650 --> 00:50:31,920
think he might have recorded everything

1152
00:50:37,340 --> 00:50:33,660
I just don't see how he remembers

1153
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:37,350
everything I told him when I wrote the

1154
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:39,210
blog left out at Eastgate

1155
00:50:44,540 --> 00:50:41,970
which I updated with Adrienne's comments

1156
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:44,550
Adrienne thanks myself and another for

1157
00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:47,250
listening with an open mind not once did

1158
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:50,700
he say you've got that wrong Sasha this

1159
00:50:56,270 --> 00:50:52,380
is the statement that Adrian Ballinger

1160
00:50:58,700 --> 00:50:56,280
wrote to myself in another person Sasha

1161
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,710
and Nigel I appreciate appreciate your

1162
00:51:03,380 --> 00:51:01,440
interest support and research you've

1163
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:03,390
definitely been listening with an open

1164
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:05,930
mind and surely have a lot of questions

1165
00:51:10,850 --> 00:51:08,880
however the very reason I have stayed a

1166
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:10,860
distance is because it hasn't gone away

1167
00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:14,040
and probably never will I still get

1168
00:51:18,590 --> 00:51:16,500
phone calls from unlisted numbers and

1169
00:51:21,260 --> 00:51:18,600
private numbers who I can't identify

1170
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:21,270
because I don't know who they are the

1171
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:24,810
Gov question mark who knows but I know

1172
00:51:30,620 --> 00:51:28,260
that some some time soon I was John

1173
00:51:32,810 --> 00:51:30,630
after I'm able to sit down face to face

1174
00:51:34,940 --> 00:51:32,820
with John again will come forward and

1175
00:51:37,610 --> 00:51:34,950
face the critics who have no earthly

1176
00:51:38,330 --> 00:51:37,620
idea of what rigorous interrogations

1177
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:38,340
took place

1178
00:51:43,460 --> 00:51:40,970
and what they tried to try to do to us

1179
00:51:45,980 --> 00:51:43,470
some people want the Limelight's

1180
00:51:50,180 --> 00:51:45,990
and then there's those of us who just

1181
00:51:53,330 --> 00:51:50,190
want to know why I'm a US Air Force

1182
00:51:55,340 --> 00:51:53,340
veteran who served whole heartily and I

1183
00:51:57,980 --> 00:51:55,350
still believe in what our nation stands

1184
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:57,990
for Ronnie has been very understanding

1185
00:52:03,950 --> 00:52:00,480
along with John and supportive it with

1186
00:52:06,590 --> 00:52:03,960
my keeping my distance reason being is

1187
00:52:08,990 --> 00:52:06,600
because some of us out there want glory

1188
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:09,000
and they don't experience what John and

1189
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:11,970
I have for the past 35 years which has

1190
00:52:16,910 --> 00:52:14,850
been denial nightmares health issues

1191
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:16,920
critics and most of all lies and

1192
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:20,310
deceptions from our own brothers only to

1193
00:52:24,170 --> 00:52:21,930
have the truth surface through others

1194
00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:24,180
like yourself they've taken the time to

1195
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:27,480
listen our own brothers who are bent on

1196
00:52:31,370 --> 00:52:29,250
taking ownership and credit for

1197
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:31,380
something that others experienced but

1198
00:52:36,860 --> 00:52:33,810
can't give details is just outright

1199
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:36,870
disgusting I don't say much but I can

1200
00:52:41,330 --> 00:52:38,850
assure you of one thing and that's that

1201
00:52:43,310 --> 00:52:41,340
I have been had nothing to say except

1202
00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:43,320
the truth and that's how it will always

1203
00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:46,260
be so many witnesses that won't come

1204
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:46,740
forth

1205
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:52,440
do you blame them I just want to repeat

1206
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:55,890
this but our own brothers who are bent

1207
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,020
on taking ownership and credit for

1208
00:53:02,930 --> 00:53:00,480
something that others experienced but

1209
00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:02,940
can't give details is just outright

1210
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:06,300
disgusting here are some comments from

1211
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:09,780
Steve la plume Steve also said that were

1212
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:12,450
in a dusting to lie he states Warren was

1213
00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:14,130
getting out on account of a disability

1214
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:17,220
that wasn't noticed in training he had a

1215
00:53:21,650 --> 00:53:19,110
problem with his wrists so he was

1216
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:21,660
getting out of his contract he told

1217
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:24,090
Georgina bruni this and he also made

1218
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:28,920
statements of his own steve says larry

1219
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:31,770
confided to me that he also was involved

1220
00:53:36,620 --> 00:53:33,810
in the sighting and went on to lay it

1221
00:53:38,750 --> 00:53:36,630
out now right off the bat his story did

1222
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:38,760
not seem to jive with what he has been

1223
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:41,730
saying Larry told me initially he and a

1224
00:53:46,340 --> 00:53:43,380
friend were walking back from a night

1225
00:53:48,830 --> 00:53:46,350
out of drinking and such and they were

1226
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:48,840
on a road near Woodbridge Village he

1227
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:50,730
said as they walk they saw something in

1228
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:52,170
this guy that was odd

1229
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,210
he told me of balls of light how they

1230
00:53:58,960 --> 00:53:56,640
split and became three and soon after

1231
00:54:00,140 --> 00:53:58,970
the sighting a person whom he said was

1232
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:00,150
fast

1233
00:54:05,569 --> 00:54:03,210
Office of Special Investigations are

1234
00:54:07,940 --> 00:54:05,579
from the intent Intel community

1235
00:54:10,839 --> 00:54:07,950
approached them on the road after they

1236
00:54:13,490 --> 00:54:10,849
started to continue their journey home

1237
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:13,500
Larry told me the spook told them both

1238
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,290
to keep shut about what they saw he

1239
00:54:20,420 --> 00:54:18,000
mentioned the other person did not want

1240
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:20,430
to be known he then went on to say a few

1241
00:54:24,829 --> 00:54:23,010
nights later while on duty he was told

1242
00:54:27,620 --> 00:54:24,839
to fuel up the light Isles and take them

1243
00:54:30,410 --> 00:54:27,630
out by the east gate so he and others

1244
00:54:32,359 --> 00:54:30,420
did just that Larry also mentioned the

1245
00:54:34,190 --> 00:54:32,369
fuel pump was not working right and the

1246
00:54:36,980 --> 00:54:34,200
equipment eventually did not work right

1247
00:54:38,450 --> 00:54:36,990
when it was on location either Larry

1248
00:54:40,190 --> 00:54:38,460
said they were forced to give up their

1249
00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:40,200
weapons because of our agreement with

1250
00:54:43,099 --> 00:54:42,420
the UK and he was told to enter the

1251
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,109
forest

1252
00:54:47,539 --> 00:54:45,359
he said as he did so he saw an amen'

1253
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,549
with his head on his farm against a tree

1254
00:54:52,609 --> 00:54:49,920
crying and the animals seemed to believe

1255
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:52,619
in the area he mentioned seeing a deer

1256
00:54:57,380 --> 00:54:55,290
feeling fleeing Larry then told me he

1257
00:55:00,140 --> 00:54:57,390
saw a high-ranking official but never

1258
00:55:02,180 --> 00:55:00,150
mentioned who it was he said the officer

1259
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:02,190
approached a craft which was out in a

1260
00:55:09,890 --> 00:55:06,569
small field our clearing I remember him

1261
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:09,900
saying clearing not field but it is a

1262
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:11,819
gray memory and not sharp enough for me

1263
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:14,130
to be positive he said it was hovering

1264
00:55:18,799 --> 00:55:16,530
off the ground and also that the officer

1265
00:55:19,940 --> 00:55:18,809
slits and fell in the mud and he got a

1266
00:55:22,099 --> 00:55:19,950
chuckle out of it

1267
00:55:24,049 --> 00:55:22,109
he said the officer got to the craft

1268
00:55:26,569 --> 00:55:24,059
where the three beings he described as

1269
00:55:28,849 --> 00:55:26,579
looking like kids in snow suits were ATS

1270
00:55:31,579 --> 00:55:28,859
and that they also were hovering above

1271
00:55:33,710 --> 00:55:31,589
the ground he said well he knew they

1272
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:33,720
were communicating he could not see how

1273
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:36,480
because they were now out right they

1274
00:55:41,539 --> 00:55:39,690
were not talking Larry mentioned other

1275
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:41,549
Airmen in the area and how it seemed

1276
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:43,170
that they were sent there as witnesses

1277
00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:45,930
of some sorts he then told me parts were

1278
00:55:50,660 --> 00:55:47,910
flown in from Germany to fix the craft

1279
00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:50,670
which was put in a Sun pit of some sort

1280
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:52,859
he said there were people filming video

1281
00:55:57,620 --> 00:55:54,930
of the encounter as well and that that

1282
00:55:59,420 --> 00:55:57,630
film was flown to Germany Larry then

1283
00:56:01,700 --> 00:55:59,430
went on to tell me about his cuts off

1284
00:56:03,950 --> 00:56:01,710
Carl to his mom when he was talking to

1285
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:03,960
her about the incident being second in

1286
00:56:08,570 --> 00:56:06,090
adapt vehicle sprayed with something

1287
00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:08,580
to make him ultra grubby then taken he

1288
00:56:12,860 --> 00:56:10,980
was taken underground he mentioned how

1289
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:12,870
there was a being behind a screen and

1290
00:56:17,420 --> 00:56:14,970
how the person given him and the others

1291
00:56:20,890 --> 00:56:17,430
orders also gave a talk about the whole

1292
00:56:23,870 --> 00:56:20,900
UFO phenomena and showed related videos

1293
00:56:26,690 --> 00:56:23,880
Larry said this person was not military

1294
00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:26,700
but Intel he also mentioned a vast

1295
00:56:30,290 --> 00:56:28,140
underground facility

1296
00:56:32,330 --> 00:56:30,300
Larry stated that he was shown where the

1297
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:32,340
craft went under the base and were

1298
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:34,770
housed he said that the UFOs would go

1299
00:56:39,460 --> 00:56:37,050
out and come up onto the nafsi where

1300
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:39,470
they would emerge from to take flights

1301
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:41,810
Larry had told me when he was getting

1302
00:56:46,430 --> 00:56:43,890
discharged that it was a medical

1303
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:46,440
discharge for an issue he had with his

1304
00:56:51,830 --> 00:56:49,770
hand or wrist and that the US Air Force

1305
00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:51,840
should have caught it upon enlisting but

1306
00:56:56,330 --> 00:56:53,670
they did not so they were letting him

1307
00:56:58,580 --> 00:56:56,340
out of his contract I do know he was not

1308
00:57:00,530 --> 00:56:58,590
under anything disciplinary or he would

1309
00:57:03,380 --> 00:57:00,540
be next to me cleaning toilets on major

1310
00:57:05,330 --> 00:57:03,390
Ziegler's sham Patrol if he is saying he

1311
00:57:09,980 --> 00:57:05,340
got out because of anything else I would

1312
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:09,990
question that this next bit is very

1313
00:57:14,540 --> 00:57:12,570
interesting because Warren told Andy

1314
00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:14,550
Young on his truth frequency radio show

1315
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:17,400
in July 2016 the Stevie Ray Vaughan was

1316
00:57:20,330 --> 00:57:19,050
at his wedding you would think that

1317
00:57:22,490 --> 00:57:20,340
Steve Allah plume would be saying

1318
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:22,500
something completely different here but

1319
00:57:27,290 --> 00:57:25,410
he says Larry and his Clara I've met so

1320
00:57:29,540 --> 00:57:27,300
many famous people like Stevie Ray

1321
00:57:32,090 --> 00:57:29,550
Vaughn I can say that this back in the

1322
00:57:34,670 --> 00:57:32,100
late 80s I met Larry at his place in

1323
00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:34,680
Lake George and he showed me photos of

1324
00:57:40,010 --> 00:57:37,110
him and Stevie Ray Vaughn as well as

1325
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:40,020
Yoko Ono and they were polarize if I

1326
00:57:44,780 --> 00:57:42,210
remember right but either way it was

1327
00:57:46,430 --> 00:57:44,790
long before digital cameras and such on

1328
00:57:48,140 --> 00:57:46,440
Photoshop so I have to say that I

1329
00:57:50,540 --> 00:57:48,150
believe he was there a met those two

1330
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:50,550
people how much he was friends with any

1331
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,650
of them is beyond me the pics of him

1332
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,720
with Yoko and SRV were second at the

1333
00:57:58,940 --> 00:57:56,880
same spot as a particular event though

1334
00:58:00,740 --> 00:57:58,950
as it was in the same background so

1335
00:58:03,050 --> 00:58:00,750
maybe he could have known them or maybe

1336
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:03,060
he was just a security guard are at a

1337
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:05,850
backstage pass he did mention he had

1338
00:58:09,380 --> 00:58:07,410
something to do with promotions for a

1339
00:58:11,180 --> 00:58:09,390
label when he lived in New York City I

1340
00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:11,190
never got into details with him about

1341
00:58:18,380 --> 00:58:15,180
that as I said Steve abloom said that he

1342
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:18,390
was how Larry's first wedding and here

1343
00:58:23,540 --> 00:58:19,530
is an excerpt

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the truth frequency show Warren says but

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um yes real nice man

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came to my first wedding it's just great

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you'll never hear a bad word about

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Stevie Ray Vaughn ever because no he

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wasn't as a sense and he had his issues

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with alcohol and drugs cocaine not

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heroin or anything and was clean three

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years when he died but even when he was

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in that mindset and he was a tough son

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of a [\h__\h] smile he wasn't a big guy

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physically he had tons like vice grips

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though and he is finally been inducted

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to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame you

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could guarantee that Steve lalume would

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have said that he met Stevie Ray Vaughn

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at Larry Warren's first wedding is sort

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of discuss in the photographs

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Steven plum also states that were an

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asked him to lie for him that lie was

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that he wanted Steve to say that he

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smuggled a canister of film out of the

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base in a mug that he bought from

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Germany which we now know he never went

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the story of that film canister is

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interesting too he gave photos to

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georgina brunei and told her they were

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from a guy who was local to the area and

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had seen events and taken photos he gave

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them to Warren Warren held on to them

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for 19 years apparently

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Georgina accepts the photos but then

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receives a phone call one week later

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from Larry Warren saying that he took

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them the very same photo said to be of

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events on the first night a night that

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Warren states now that he wasn't

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involved in so he couldn't have taken

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that photo the story of that photo in

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his finally conference talking 2015 is

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that in fact he is an official

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Department of Defense

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photograph now here's another statement

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from Steven Blum Larry had asked me to

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light wounds for him when Georgina bruni

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was interviewing him he called me and

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talked to me about some film he had

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asked me to hold when we were at

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Bentwaters only thing was I have no

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memory at all about him ever asking me

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to hold on to our hide film for him and

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I told told Georgina just that Larry's

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exact words were I just knew need you to

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tell her I asked you to hold on to some

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film canisters for me and that you did

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now I want to move on to some other

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fabrications in warrens finally talk he

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mentions when he first arrived on base

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and asked what was there to do as he was

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used to being on bases that were like

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cities which is a far cry from where he

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found himself he's told that pretty much

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everything centers around the bowling

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alley pay particular attention to what

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he says about the taxi firm that

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operated in the area and my guy the

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greatest name was a staff sergeant named

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bud Stefan's name we know and I'm

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looking around going I was used to US

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air bases which are like the size of

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cities right and I'm like how much here

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you know and let's start to do on the

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base and he goes well we got the bullet

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alley over there and I'm like how many

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yeah I got to be here two years and he

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goes you want a good hamburger bowling

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alley it's just that everything you want

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go to the bowling alley then we got a

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taxi changing cabs and there you know

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and I'm like okay this before they

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started rocking buildings down or

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whatever does it I'll just repeat that

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little bit for you our obstruct taxis

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before they knocked buildings down is

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that the kind of joke that you would

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make if you'd spent months helping

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Claire Ground Zero this next clip is

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called Larry Warren on 9/11 on the 21st

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of January 2007 Animas Sean and David

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Shayler spoke at a conference in

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Liverpool it was called an evening with

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real spies unraveling the lies

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Larry Warren gate crashed his conference

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it was a challenge in the Southtown

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right three friends of mine died though

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so people from this town time and that

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attacked now a respect what you do but

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what I did because my son's a Scouts

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predator the webinar you up in the Bronx

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that we are still right and a lot of

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people who got hurt time that day my

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father [\h__\h] up he's an accountant

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because the members was the partner

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companies but I will say this Mike when

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it comes I just I don't know if I miss

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something is so proud of him get a good

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like this but uh that was an aircraft my

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friends they hit those buildings because

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my brother went to ground rules of blood

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he was late for work

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beautiful day in New York they're

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similar it was a [\h__\h] and he got off

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his bus

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these were 3,200 [\h__\h] that

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would just go into work right and like

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their jobs who does right right daddy

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give 9/11 appease both and the buildings

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fall down what works is still business

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for a lot eaters now the first thing I

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did is Mike can't be in for my soul as I

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pull home those the aircraft I never

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mentioned and I looked down at my work

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in that [\h__\h] for four months

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I saw twice aircraft enough I saw a lot

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of violence come up and I saw all this

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that the other thing now the seven was

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undermined by number one falling down

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hit number five before went under the

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thing it was a rescue mission going on

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this office and other people civilians

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whoever the weren't many under next

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field right so end this thing about not

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a seven secret [\h__\h] here's a federal

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building

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commander emergency command center was

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in there with Giuliani and all that he

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should have been in it when I came down

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personally but all the focus off the

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street I see if you look at this way

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every suspect this will begin a

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constitution as in there to know

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hopefully but Flynn started okay they

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hit that thing in 93 and I want to tell

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you this and I'm just gonna say you can

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bull me whatever and a fridge office

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wannabe them what you think and I dunno

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conspiracies take place but my son being

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English there is an Islamic conspiracy

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that was taken advantage of by my

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government any us they pull the planes

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in you got to understand if you're not

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an American you don't think we could be

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beautiful like they if you told me one

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minute before that [\h__\h] went down that

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those buildings will be gone about a

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forty six when the first one here I

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would have laughed at you I would have

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made $100,000 then no I never have to

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pay then it happened those buildings

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were hollow and in any year than in them

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and I've been in them many times have

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been when they got built we supply a TV

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the case why Warren was challenged on

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these comments he made a video response

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this is it on that September 11th I was

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in England when that happens I had how I

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love these people a member of my family

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was almost killed in the World Trade

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Center worked in cell tower I'm not

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going to say names my family our meaning

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from you people and the first thing I

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did my son was 6 months old first thing

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I did is hop the plane went home I was

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in the pit right in it smelled the death

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3,000 people have pictures of all it

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that I took

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none of your business call what you want

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do what you want this is a family issue

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I lost four friends in the World Trade

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Center but I didn't know until my 30th

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highschool reunion that people employed

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people I went to school with it was a

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big employer

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I watched them get built I didn't see

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them come down I was there just after

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since the planes could go I was off and

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was perfect swell the death was down in

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the pit we knew people to get him a bit

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was there even with my brother-in-law

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who's in government I'll leave it at

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that

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when they recovered nine firemen in one

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little pocket one day one day so and

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that went on till March of 2002 by the

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way I was around it quite a bit now that

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has nothing to do it revolution and the

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steel industry you're referring to that

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video where these people the mi6

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right as an mi6 or five guy stood up did

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his thing it's a nice guy and he was

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with the girl and there was all this

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kind of what I would call an Tifa type

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people now I mean some of these people

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go against were supporters of the night

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of the seven seven boxes and I've got

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nothing but dirt of machine for these

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books for the steel industry when I

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could have the air force I work for a

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slow company out of Connecticut I was

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going to school and even learn some high

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01:08:15,620 --> 01:08:13,050
steel ball not for me so I was quite

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familiar with but not good had it in

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light Heights uh it was a manger that I

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won't even say the name of the company

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because they're they're owned by

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interesting Italians I quite a big

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company in Connecticut and that was not

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the industry for me am I an expert on

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steel no it's my view again I think

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Saudi did it they financed it if that

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you know so and that was the cover-up

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there that's where my governments but

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yeah I smelled the death my brother

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watched him them friends watch people

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splashing on the ground they were in it

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in real time

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and and so there you go and that's it

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and so and I had a few judging me that

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night the people wanted to come outside

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with paint I remember and I'm some other

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people were you know all right you're

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great so that's it let them ramble on

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that's a two important three thousand

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people dead and these morons no no it's

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a fake came to my family's front door

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like it don't like it call me what you

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want it shows more about you than me in

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that segment he says he was with his

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brother-in-law when they recovered nine

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firefighters in a little pocket I would

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say that that would be a pretty big

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event but there's literally no evidence

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of Larry Warren ever being anywhere near

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Ground Zero during that period of time

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there are registers of everyone who

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helped

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there are people who sent me photographs

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of themselves on their friends in the

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pace there was no sign of Larry Warren

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in fact Larry was living here in

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Liverpool he had a very small son and he

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was actually seen at a conference in

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Leeds where what Hopkins and Peter

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Robbins were talking Larry wasn't

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actually speaking but it was a member of

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the audience and sat next to Nick Pope

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in the front row Peter Robbins lived in

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Manhattan at that time and had Larry

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been hanging around there for four to

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six months possibly even 14 one saw

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whatever he's saying he's saying that he

1605
01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:36,520
went in September 2001 and that went on

1606
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:41,710
until March 2002 it's not clear if

1607
01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:43,210
that's how long he's saying that he was

1608
01:10:50,780 --> 01:10:45,670
there but we know that he was actually

1609
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:50,790
here in the UK he then says that his

1610
01:10:57,149 --> 01:10:54,610
stints in the steel industry was when he

1611
01:10:59,640 --> 01:10:57,159
got out of the Air Force while he was

1612
01:11:01,589 --> 01:10:59,650
going to school but he didn't go to

1613
01:11:04,979 --> 01:11:01,599
school when he got out of the Air Force

1614
01:11:06,899 --> 01:11:04,989
I should probably spend more time on

1615
01:11:09,839 --> 01:11:06,909
that but I don't really know what I can

1616
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:09,849
say so I'm going to move on to other

1617
01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:14,170
equally ridiculous claims at the flying

1618
01:11:18,839 --> 01:11:16,150
saucers a blondie conference him finally

1619
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:18,849
in 2015 and I think maybe I said that

1620
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:20,650
was in Hall earlier if I did scrap that

1621
01:11:26,879 --> 01:11:24,369
it was finally anyway he very casually

1622
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:26,889
announced that he signed metallica and

1623
01:11:32,939 --> 01:11:29,530
was paid half a million dollars finder's

1624
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:32,949
fee he actually says he discovered and

1625
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:36,310
signed metallica in a recording he did

1626
01:11:41,790 --> 01:11:39,489
with tina mogera tina asked him to

1627
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:41,800
explain that situation because the truth

1628
01:11:47,010 --> 01:11:44,080
is that a man called Michael L agro

1629
01:11:49,229 --> 01:11:47,020
discovered and signed Metallica this is

1630
01:11:52,770 --> 01:11:49,239
very easy to find out in seconds with a

1631
01:11:55,470 --> 01:11:52,780
quick google search here he is saying he

1632
01:11:56,490 --> 01:11:55,480
co-signed Metallica I was paid half a

1633
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:56,500
million pounds

1634
01:12:01,410 --> 01:12:00,159
sorry dollars finder's fee and after

1635
01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:01,420
that I will play the

1636
01:12:06,930 --> 01:12:03,310
clicked with Tina where he Claire's this

1637
01:12:09,300 --> 01:12:06,940
master oh right but I have a whole other

1638
01:12:12,620 --> 01:12:09,310
life that I live work for epic in

1639
01:12:15,419 --> 01:12:12,630
Atlantic Records for 20 years I

1640
01:12:17,580 --> 01:12:15,429
co-signed the bank old Metallica I got a

1641
01:12:20,010 --> 01:12:17,590
huge half a million dollar fine to say

1642
01:12:22,260 --> 01:12:20,020
with a friend of my rich Carlsen as an

1643
01:12:24,540 --> 01:12:22,270
our guys have found them you know all

1644
01:12:26,610 --> 01:12:24,550
kind of things but you know the music

1645
01:12:28,590 --> 01:12:26,620
business is very difficult and there's a

1646
01:12:31,709 --> 01:12:28,600
lot of temptations and half a million

1647
01:12:34,020 --> 01:12:31,719
dollars you could blow literally in one

1648
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:34,030
night I mean it was bad news so it's

1649
01:12:39,090 --> 01:12:36,730
crazy on the road year-round and then

1650
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:39,100
doing this thing that I'm here for it

1651
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:42,010
today and because it was important but

1652
01:12:45,290 --> 01:12:44,090
also living with post-traumatic stress

1653
01:12:48,209 --> 01:12:45,300
[Applause]

1654
01:12:52,020 --> 01:12:48,219
okay well sticking with the music theme

1655
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:52,030
Larry my favorite oh yeah a lots been

1656
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:55,810
made about quote but you've made a

1657
01:13:02,760 --> 01:12:59,440
couple of years back it's a lecture you

1658
01:13:08,090 --> 01:13:02,770
did him finally where you stated that

1659
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:08,100
you'd sign Metallica for 500k yeah

1660
01:13:15,930 --> 01:13:14,080
clearly you didn't sign Metallica and do

1661
01:13:19,979 --> 01:13:15,940
you want to go know a bit a detailed

1662
01:13:22,459 --> 01:13:19,989
explain that yeah yeah what it is I use

1663
01:13:26,130 --> 01:13:22,469
a lot of humor and my thoughts when I

1664
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:26,140
flit around this stupid field and you

1665
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:28,090
know do gigs which I really don't pursue

1666
01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:31,360
and don't really like doing and I've

1667
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:33,670
always use humor everyone knows me does

1668
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:36,010
but there is a connection I knew

1669
01:13:40,770 --> 01:13:37,840
Metallica when they were coming up there

1670
01:13:42,270 --> 01:13:40,780
was showcase band at that time and if

1671
01:13:44,189 --> 01:13:42,280
they probably don't know what Showcase

1672
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:44,199
means but so I'm not gonna explain it

1673
01:13:48,530 --> 01:13:45,810
and new

1674
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:48,540
our artists at that time different now

1675
01:13:54,350 --> 01:13:50,610
because none of many good ones out there

1676
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:54,360
in my view Metallica was a support act

1677
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:57,930
for a ban I did work with on a tour and

1678
01:14:03,980 --> 01:14:00,480
that was called fates warning and fix

1679
01:14:06,710 --> 01:14:03,990
warning was the supposed to be the

1680
01:14:09,020 --> 01:14:06,720
Metallica they didn't get the breaks

1681
01:14:12,110 --> 01:14:09,030
they made it they were signed to Metal

1682
01:14:14,450 --> 01:14:12,120
Blade Records which was a heavy metal

1683
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:14,460
label not my genre but they I worked

1684
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:15,810
with the guys and they're they're great

1685
01:14:20,090 --> 01:14:18,000
guys and I worked with him on their

1686
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,100
first album called night on Brockton and

1687
01:14:25,150 --> 01:14:22,560
I'm on the credits on that album with

1688
01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:25,160
the middle name cell Rodriguez backstage

1689
01:14:31,010 --> 01:14:28,110
we call it backstage nasties there was

1690
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:31,020
always Lacey and spinal tap and you know

1691
01:14:35,570 --> 01:14:32,880
they're folding the bread and that was

1692
01:14:36,980 --> 01:14:35,580
just like that and I would eat the cell

1693
01:14:38,660 --> 01:14:36,990
rate as you couldn't go wrong with

1694
01:14:41,500 --> 01:14:38,670
celery you didn't you know where it came

1695
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:41,510
from so I got that nickname in the biz

1696
01:14:46,700 --> 01:14:45,810
because I always ate the celery and so

1697
01:14:49,610 --> 01:14:46,710
face morning

1698
01:14:51,410 --> 01:14:49,620
Metallica opened for them and I'd also

1699
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:51,420
worked with the tubes at that period

1700
01:14:57,860 --> 01:14:53,280
which had a noun if you remember was

1701
01:15:00,620 --> 01:14:57,870
she's a beauty I forget what the the

1702
01:15:02,300 --> 01:15:00,630
almost call now doesn't matter these

1703
01:15:05,170 --> 01:15:02,310
people will never know these people and

1704
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:05,180
the tubes are from Frisco great guys and

1705
01:15:11,570 --> 01:15:09,570
so anyway the tubes were suits and they

1706
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:11,580
had these this gimmick so I remember

1707
01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:13,920
Metallica was opening you know touring

1708
01:15:19,010 --> 01:15:16,320
with us big clubs it was all being Agora

1709
01:15:20,210 --> 01:15:19,020
ballrooms which over here in England

1710
01:15:23,390 --> 01:15:20,220
they don't know what that is they were

1711
01:15:25,730 --> 01:15:23,400
basically giant warehouses or X

1712
01:15:29,330 --> 01:15:25,740
supermarkets or shops that had been

1713
01:15:30,980 --> 01:15:29,340
converted into Rock venues maybe two

1714
01:15:33,170 --> 01:15:30,990
thousand five thousand people you can

1715
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:33,180
get in them an Agora Shane went all over

1716
01:15:36,230 --> 01:15:34,800
these coasts and a Cleveland up to

1717
01:15:39,290 --> 01:15:36,240
Hartford Connecticut I worked for them

1718
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,300
for a while and John here and all those

1719
01:15:43,850 --> 01:15:41,760
guys they're promoters and

1720
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:43,860
all that kind of thing so if none of

1721
01:15:49,060 --> 01:15:46,560
this is important at all to Rendlesham

1722
01:15:51,530 --> 01:15:49,070
but as far as what I said my friend rich

1723
01:15:55,130 --> 01:15:51,540
did signed Metallica

1724
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:55,140
he was an our guy and for enigma Metal

1725
01:15:59,960 --> 01:15:58,080
Blade Records and worked with rich a

1726
01:16:03,010 --> 01:15:59,970
long time was good friends with his wife

1727
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:03,020
Debbie and myself and my first wife and

1728
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:07,440
he got a million dollars but because I

1729
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:10,050
introduced him you know we gave the

1730
01:16:16,460 --> 01:16:12,810
people I was working with gave him that

1731
01:16:18,890 --> 01:16:16,470
man Metallica the option to get exposure

1732
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:18,900
on these coasts which they did not have

1733
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:23,250
enough from these because they might

1734
01:16:28,130 --> 01:16:25,770
joke was that I should have gotten half

1735
01:16:32,150 --> 01:16:28,140
of that million dollars

1736
01:16:34,580 --> 01:16:32,160
I didn't it's a joke you have to be

1737
01:16:36,890 --> 01:16:34,590
careful with the Flying Saucer people

1738
01:16:39,650 --> 01:16:36,900
they don't understand this world at all

1739
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:39,660
at all so in the end of the day that was

1740
01:16:45,650 --> 01:16:41,850
a joke but I should have gotten half mil

1741
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:45,660
because well I got rich up close and

1742
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:47,730
personal on that tour and Metallica

1743
01:16:52,970 --> 01:16:50,610
actually eclipsed face warning and

1744
01:16:54,770 --> 01:16:52,980
obviously and all that and I remember

1745
01:16:56,750 --> 01:16:54,780
Metallica got mad at me because I

1746
01:16:58,970 --> 01:16:56,760
suggested they wear suits and tear them

1747
01:17:01,250 --> 01:16:58,980
off on stage and it didn't go down well

1748
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:01,260
and they liked the tight jeans and the

1749
01:17:06,740 --> 01:17:03,930
high-top sneakers and really big hair

1750
01:17:08,810 --> 01:17:06,750
thing going on then and that's it so

1751
01:17:12,110 --> 01:17:08,820
yeah it's a true story but no I didn't

1752
01:17:14,810 --> 01:17:12,120
get a penny and rich lost that over the

1753
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:14,820
next year through rock and roll's

1754
01:17:22,010 --> 01:17:17,970
behavior but I hope he's well anyway

1755
01:17:23,900 --> 01:17:22,020
that's true a whole other life that I've

1756
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:23,910
ever worked for happening in Atlantic

1757
01:17:30,279 --> 01:17:28,050
Records for 20 years I co-signed the

1758
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:30,289
bank on Metallica I got our huge

1759
01:17:36,339 --> 01:17:33,650
half a million dollar fine to see was on

1760
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:36,349
the album by fates warning night on

1761
01:17:42,970 --> 01:17:39,050
broken there's literally no mention of

1762
01:17:45,729 --> 01:17:42,980
Lurie or anyone cold celery and Richard

1763
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:45,739
didn't sign Metallica because Michael a

1764
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:48,530
lager did there's even a film on Netflix

1765
01:17:53,950 --> 01:17:51,920
about him Tino knew this when asking

1766
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:53,960
Warren this question but failed to ask

1767
01:17:58,600 --> 01:17:56,239
him how Michael L agro fitted into the

1768
01:18:00,879 --> 01:17:58,610
picture and why doesn't he mention

1769
01:18:03,729 --> 01:18:00,889
Richard are Larry seeing as they all

1770
01:18:05,859 --> 01:18:03,739
must have known each other funnily

1771
01:18:07,839 --> 01:18:05,869
enough there's no sign of Warren in the

1772
01:18:13,209 --> 01:18:07,849
film about the man who actually signed

1773
01:18:15,759 --> 01:18:13,219
Metallica Michael allaha keeping on the

1774
01:18:18,009 --> 01:18:15,769
music theme here is a clip of Larry

1775
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:18,019
Warren saying that Stevie Ray Vaughan

1776
01:18:53,229 --> 01:18:21,050
wrote the song wall of denial about the

1777
01:18:57,549 --> 01:18:53,239
Rendlesham forest incident spell on team

1778
01:19:00,640 --> 01:18:57,559
rock on said on the 4th of July 2014 in

1779
01:19:02,620 --> 01:19:00,650
an article the material that became the

1780
01:19:06,009 --> 01:19:02,630
instep album impressed the sufferer

1781
01:19:08,740 --> 01:19:06,019
gains it is often described as s Arby's

1782
01:19:11,950 --> 01:19:08,750
confessional album but that isn't the

1783
01:19:14,529 --> 01:19:11,960
whole truth obviously cross by air tight

1784
01:19:16,509 --> 01:19:14,539
rope and wall of denial with lyrics that

1785
01:19:20,350 --> 01:19:16,519
refer to being afraid of my own shadow

1786
01:19:22,930 --> 01:19:20,360
in the face of grace and demons from the

1787
01:19:25,959 --> 01:19:22,940
garden of White Lies deal with addiction

1788
01:19:28,359 --> 01:19:25,969
and redemption but Stevie didn't write

1789
01:19:30,910 --> 01:19:28,369
those words they were penned by his

1790
01:19:34,660 --> 01:19:30,920
longtime friend and accomplice drummer

1791
01:19:37,029 --> 01:19:34,670
songwriter dial Bramall who were trodden

1792
01:19:38,830 --> 01:19:37,039
similar paths and channeled Vaughn's

1793
01:19:41,799 --> 01:19:38,840
misery better than he could have done

1794
01:19:44,179 --> 01:19:41,809
himself the deeply personal stuff was

1795
01:19:48,399 --> 01:19:44,189
dispatched first in early January

1796
01:19:52,669 --> 01:19:48,409
to get it out of the way so once again

1797
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:52,679
another lie wall of denial was not

1798
01:19:58,459 --> 01:19:55,050
written by Stevie Ray Vaughn about the

1799
01:20:01,219 --> 01:19:58,469
Rendlesham forest incidents it was

1800
01:20:06,679 --> 01:20:01,229
written by dial Brummel about addiction

1801
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:06,689
for Stevie Ray Vaughan the only alleged

1802
01:20:10,729 --> 01:20:08,489
evidence of Warren's very close

1803
01:20:12,620 --> 01:20:10,739
friendship with Stevie Ray Vaughan are a

1804
01:20:15,739 --> 01:20:12,630
couple of photographs that were quite

1805
01:20:18,589 --> 01:20:15,749
obviously faked both voters were

1806
01:20:20,330 --> 01:20:18,599
generated by printing off photos cussing

1807
01:20:23,419 --> 01:20:20,340
around the bodies and heads than

1808
01:20:25,729 --> 01:20:23,429
photographing the arrangement Warren

1809
01:20:28,879 --> 01:20:25,739
uses the same image of his own head in

1810
01:20:32,330 --> 01:20:28,889
all of his fabrications please refer to

1811
01:20:34,189 --> 01:20:32,340
my blog stars in his eyes The Adventures

1812
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:34,199
of Larry Warren and the doctored

1813
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:40,320
photographs on the 21st of July 2016

1814
01:20:46,189 --> 01:20:43,199
Ben Emmeline Jones recorded an interview

1815
01:20:49,429 --> 01:20:46,199
with Larry Warren which was titled Larry

1816
01:20:52,370 --> 01:20:49,439
Warren speaks in this show Larry

1817
01:20:54,679 --> 01:20:52,380
describes his life to burn this was in

1818
01:20:57,739 --> 01:20:54,689
light of the numerous evidences of Larry

1819
01:21:00,020 --> 01:20:57,749
Warren lying but I'd presented this was

1820
01:21:02,359 --> 01:21:00,030
his response to my revelations regarding

1821
01:21:06,819 --> 01:21:02,369
his balay behavior while he stayed in

1822
01:21:09,679 --> 01:21:06,829
our home from February to June 2015

1823
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:09,689
before moving into our home he had been

1824
01:21:15,739 --> 01:21:12,449
working as a security guard at the Tesco

1825
01:21:18,949 --> 01:21:15,749
supermarket in egg birth he was sucks

1826
01:21:20,989 --> 01:21:18,959
for stealing a packet of cigarettes his

1827
01:21:24,109 --> 01:21:20,999
requirement to perform his duties as a

1828
01:21:27,020 --> 01:21:24,119
security officer in a supermarket or any

1829
01:21:30,500 --> 01:21:27,030
other retail outlet is called an SI a

1830
01:21:32,779 --> 01:21:30,510
card in this show Warren tells Jones

1831
01:21:37,279 --> 01:21:32,789
that he was specially licensed by the

1832
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:37,289
government in close protection in this

1833
01:21:42,140 --> 01:21:39,570
country by the way and by the way I'm in

1834
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:42,150
a licence in I was in a licence industry

1835
01:21:46,729 --> 01:21:44,010
where you're drug tested criminal

1836
01:21:48,350 --> 01:21:46,739
background records checks everything to

1837
01:21:51,020 --> 01:21:48,360
be able to work in that which I did for

1838
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:51,030
10 years and close protection and other

1839
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:51,920
things

1840
01:21:57,010 --> 01:21:55,130
lights license hearing by the government

1841
01:21:59,380 --> 01:21:57,020
and there's are every kind of things so

1842
01:22:01,450 --> 01:21:59,390
these nonsensical you know we're drug

1843
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:01,460
tests everything is just you know I

1844
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:04,610
couldn't have maintained my job and that

1845
01:22:07,900 --> 01:22:06,290
I'm still in a compound different kind

1846
01:22:14,620 --> 01:22:07,910
of industry now we're you're a drug test

1847
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:14,630
anyway my company loved his life in the

1848
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:20,480
memorabilia industry and so

1849
01:22:25,570 --> 01:22:23,690
unfortunately because this person's

1850
01:22:28,210 --> 01:22:25,580
involved feel she saw certain business

1851
01:22:30,670 --> 01:22:28,220
things now I'm gonna say this here at an

1852
01:22:33,820 --> 01:22:30,680
auction house called cameo auctioneers

1853
01:22:35,860 --> 01:22:33,830
in reading I have been dealing with rock

1854
01:22:38,590 --> 01:22:35,870
and roll memorabilia I was in the music

1855
01:22:40,930 --> 01:22:38,600
business was a publicist I work for epic

1856
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:40,940
and Sony Music a lot of people like that

1857
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:44,000
very famous people and some not so

1858
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:46,850
famous I work in recording studios you

1859
01:22:52,150 --> 01:22:49,520
name a record plant you name three years

1860
01:22:53,290 --> 01:22:52,160
no that's not left it he escaped because

1861
01:22:56,530 --> 01:22:53,300
I wanted to have a future in that

1862
01:22:58,120 --> 01:22:56,540
industry unfortunately you know and

1863
01:22:59,470 --> 01:22:58,130
Peter Robbins comes from that kind of

1864
01:23:02,470 --> 01:22:59,480
background we know a lot of the same

1865
01:23:05,860 --> 01:23:02,480
folks it's nothing new but I started to

1866
01:23:08,620 --> 01:23:05,870
amass a lot of memorabilia rock and roll

1867
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:08,630
memorabilia and I'm quite a specialist

1868
01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:11,690
on authenticity and writing all that

1869
01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:13,490
kind of thing and that's only learned

1870
01:23:18,340 --> 01:23:16,880
after many years in the game and when I

1871
01:23:19,570 --> 01:23:18,350
kind enough that I started to say and

1872
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:19,580
this is where Peter says you know

1873
01:23:24,820 --> 01:23:21,410
certain people finance their but no I

1874
01:23:27,310 --> 01:23:24,830
financed her book with things I started

1875
01:23:29,620 --> 01:23:27,320
to sell have to sell because the book

1876
01:23:31,540 --> 01:23:29,630
was expensive to write and that was mine

1877
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:31,550
so yeah I tip my hat to the people that

1878
01:23:36,730 --> 01:23:34,850
I was able to do that are you there

1879
01:23:37,780 --> 01:23:36,740
um yeah can you hear me uncle it's a

1880
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:37,790
message just saying there's a problem

1881
01:23:42,580 --> 01:23:40,970
but can you hear me alright yeah but it

1882
01:23:44,770 --> 01:23:42,590
went away does this seem so right now

1883
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:44,780
it's recording okay so let me just draw

1884
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:46,880
us in right real quick cuz I don't like

1885
01:23:51,610 --> 01:23:49,040
people knowing my business so anyway

1886
01:23:54,220 --> 01:23:51,620
this company and I've dealt with all the

1887
01:23:56,190 --> 01:23:54,230
major players in that industry I've been

1888
01:23:58,510 --> 01:23:56,200
ripped off there's a lot of fraud in it

1889
01:24:00,250 --> 01:23:58,520
it's a separate thing from you if all

1890
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:00,260
are gonna be very profitable but I also

1891
01:24:04,510 --> 01:24:03,050
like the value of the items and the

1892
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:04,520
keeping the history of rock and

1893
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:05,810
I've had dealings with the Rock and Roll

1894
01:24:12,850 --> 01:24:08,570
Hall of Fame as an advisor on a number

1895
01:24:14,740 --> 01:24:12,860
of exhibitions Yoko Ono did her 2001

1896
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:14,750
based on one I had done in the United

1897
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:15,290
States

1898
01:24:20,620 --> 01:24:17,930
I know Yoko very well I think you were

1899
01:24:24,970 --> 01:24:20,630
you're aware of that through my ex-wife

1900
01:24:27,250 --> 01:24:24,980
hmm yeah you recall you said she said

1901
01:24:29,230 --> 01:24:27,260
something about that yeah yeah yo yo yo

1902
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:29,240
Co even called her house when Dennis was

1903
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:31,760
young so one which blew Sue's mind a

1904
01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:34,010
little bit but that's just the way my

1905
01:24:38,830 --> 01:24:36,110
life was and that's you know and that's

1906
01:24:40,450 --> 01:24:38,840
cool they're people and yeah I met John

1907
01:24:43,210 --> 01:24:40,460
Lennon and all that kind of thing and

1908
01:24:45,550 --> 01:24:43,220
it's it's not a big well it's big steel

1909
01:24:48,820 --> 01:24:45,560
them but you know many years older he

1910
01:24:50,740 --> 01:24:48,830
was though he died now but anyway so I

1911
01:24:52,420 --> 01:24:50,750
was able to acquire a lot of different

1912
01:24:53,860 --> 01:24:52,430
things I worked with one great guy and

1913
01:24:56,380 --> 01:24:53,870
it's funny I've seen this come up on her

1914
01:24:58,120 --> 01:24:56,390
page as you know if any of us read her

1915
01:25:00,340 --> 01:24:58,130
book there's Stevie Ray Vaughan is in

1916
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:00,350
the book Stevie I worked with a company

1917
01:25:05,140 --> 01:25:03,530
called C B enterprises guy named Charlie

1918
01:25:07,630 --> 01:25:05,150
comer who was from Liverpool there's

1919
01:25:11,050 --> 01:25:07,640
also a publicist for John Lennon way

1920
01:25:12,970 --> 01:25:11,060
back and we did all kind of touring

1921
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:12,980
things to work with Stevie and epic is

1922
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:15,410
label and all that kind of a lot of

1923
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:17,810
artists and things so when I did what I

1924
01:25:24,370 --> 01:25:20,000
did I won't go into it here but I'm

1925
01:25:26,890 --> 01:25:24,380
Charlie's past on that but anyway so

1926
01:25:29,530 --> 01:25:26,900
I've seen this thing from some cat named

1927
01:25:31,710 --> 01:25:29,540
Craig a fan club guy or whatever that

1928
01:25:34,570 --> 01:25:31,720
all this elaborate story on a guitar

1929
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:34,580
that I allegedly it's made out that I

1930
01:25:39,550 --> 01:25:37,250
sold this to this guy and misrepresented

1931
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:39,560
it or something and all this history I'm

1932
01:25:44,830 --> 01:25:42,410
thinking what the hell is that and then

1933
01:25:47,290 --> 01:25:44,840
I'm thinking that can't be the guitar

1934
01:25:49,810 --> 01:25:47,300
and let me sum this up if anyone's aware

1935
01:25:51,340 --> 01:25:49,820
of this Craig guy and what this woman

1936
01:25:54,430 --> 01:25:51,350
has been throwing around the inner yeah

1937
01:25:55,870 --> 01:25:54,440
so was her last name was a 19 well tell

1938
01:25:58,600 --> 01:25:55,880
you and I'm not going to give the serial

1939
01:26:02,500 --> 01:25:58,610
number that is a stolen guitar and it

1940
01:26:04,150 --> 01:26:02,510
was stolen from me in 1995 from the

1941
01:26:06,250 --> 01:26:04,160
Brill Building in New York City and

1942
01:26:08,890 --> 01:26:06,260
Broadway the Brill Building is where

1943
01:26:10,900 --> 01:26:08,900
Carole King Gerry Goffin Neil Diamond

1944
01:26:13,660 --> 01:26:10,910
all the rest wrote all the great songs

1945
01:26:16,180 --> 01:26:13,670
in the Brill Building if you saw that

1946
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:16,190
recent show vinyl that is set in the

1947
01:26:21,310 --> 01:26:17,330
Brill Building with

1948
01:26:24,730 --> 01:26:21,320
labor was base oh yeah and and there was

1949
01:26:27,570 --> 01:26:24,740
a person I did business with and that

1950
01:26:30,610 --> 01:26:27,580
guitar was displayed in the shop now

1951
01:26:32,950 --> 01:26:30,620
was it the history that I've seen in

1952
01:26:35,860 --> 01:26:32,960
that because what I know someone did

1953
01:26:38,230 --> 01:26:35,870
that Becca Turner was stolen in 1995 I

1954
01:26:41,260 --> 01:26:38,240
never sold it for anyone at all by the

1955
01:26:44,170 --> 01:26:41,270
way and that has actually a history

1956
01:26:47,890 --> 01:26:44,180
originating with Jimi Hendrix that was

1957
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:47,900
given to Stevie and then presented to me

1958
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:50,090
Stevie played it at a soundcheck and

1959
01:26:55,180 --> 01:26:53,330
purity for none of that provenance that

1960
01:26:58,360 --> 01:26:55,190
is on there because I still have the

1961
01:27:00,130 --> 01:26:58,370
actual Providence is authentic so

1962
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:00,140
someone is trying that stole the guitar

1963
01:27:04,630 --> 01:27:02,570
maybe sold it on for years because many

1964
01:27:09,070 --> 01:27:04,640
years now that has had a New York police

1965
01:27:12,430 --> 01:27:09,080
file a theft file going on it for 21

1966
01:27:14,050 --> 01:27:12,440
years now dr. Greengrass oh yeah what's

1967
01:27:14,770 --> 01:27:14,060
that I'm glad they go to back they go to

1968
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:14,780
back for you

1969
01:27:20,260 --> 01:27:17,840
no one's got what it was

1970
01:27:22,660 --> 01:27:20,270
it popped up in some auction in New York

1971
01:27:24,430 --> 01:27:22,670
and the auction house I I believe used

1972
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:24,440
to be famous I've never done business or

1973
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:27,050
famous for doing carousel horses and

1974
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:28,370
then you know believe it or not the old

1975
01:27:33,070 --> 01:27:29,890
wooden horses you know people buy these

1976
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:33,080
and that's their speciality and some of

1977
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:34,970
them it was in a guy again I haven't

1978
01:27:39,940 --> 01:27:37,130
lived in American 17 years you know so

1979
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:39,950
I'm not onto everything and it popped up

1980
01:27:44,020 --> 01:27:42,050
and then it was withdrawn or whatever

1981
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:44,030
and I saw the story and there's a name

1982
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:46,010
from someone I went to school with and

1983
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:48,170
all the names and this one guy is the

1984
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:51,440
head of fenders custom shop who would

1985
01:27:56,980 --> 01:27:53,090
have nothing to do with this guitar the

1986
01:27:59,620 --> 01:27:56,990
guitars of 1966 burst strat and rosewood

1987
01:28:02,160 --> 01:27:59,630
neck the serial numbers no police report

1988
01:28:04,810 --> 01:28:02,170
on it it comes from actually Steve Paul

1989
01:28:08,020 --> 01:28:04,820
along the scene in New York and man is

1990
01:28:10,380 --> 01:28:08,030
Jimi Hendrix very briefly it has a drill

1991
01:28:13,780 --> 01:28:10,390
hole in the lower horn the short horn

1992
01:28:16,540 --> 01:28:13,790
meaning it was strung upside down which

1993
01:28:19,390 --> 01:28:16,550
would be a Hendrix connection there and

1994
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:19,400
Jimi played it at the scene so it is

1995
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:21,770
said steep all I know is I believe he's

1996
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:26,930
gone now and and that was actually long

1997
01:28:28,810 --> 01:28:28,130
stir I'm not going to go window so

1998
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:28,820
people can read

1999
01:28:34,450 --> 01:28:32,570
do the forged no provenance and maybe

2000
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:34,460
sell it on or again or whatever it goes

2001
01:28:41,109 --> 01:28:38,210
on is that that was totally but she

2002
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:41,119
thank God for that I found it but and it

2003
01:28:46,839 --> 01:28:43,250
is that but I have photos of me with

2004
01:28:48,879 --> 01:28:46,849
that guitar and Stevie and a signed by

2005
01:28:51,220 --> 01:28:48,889
Stevie and I ended up with it

2006
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:51,230
it's no one's business how wasn't stolen

2007
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:53,210
from them the only issue I had with

2008
01:28:58,390 --> 01:28:56,960
Stevie's estate when our book came out

2009
01:29:01,120 --> 01:28:58,400
and I remember there was a guy with a

2010
01:29:02,859 --> 01:29:01,130
fan club in Texas and you know they are

2011
01:29:05,229 --> 01:29:02,869
Southern Baptists you have to understand

2012
01:29:07,419 --> 01:29:05,239
in Texas and I'll respect everyone from

2013
01:29:10,209 --> 01:29:07,429
Dallas man the cops that got murdered

2014
01:29:12,850 --> 01:29:10,219
yesterday yeah but uh and Stevie you

2015
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:12,860
know was from Dallas and he was a great

2016
01:29:17,890 --> 01:29:15,170
guy doing well there are friends of mine

2017
01:29:19,540 --> 01:29:17,900
on my facebook I introduced him to and

2018
01:29:23,290 --> 01:29:19,550
it's just a really nice guy and he died

2019
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:23,300
way too young if you read my blog stars

2020
01:29:28,359 --> 01:29:25,730
in his eyes The Adventures of Larry

2021
01:29:30,370 --> 01:29:28,369
Warren and the doctored photographs you

2022
01:29:33,220 --> 01:29:30,380
will see there are several provenances

2023
01:29:35,140 --> 01:29:33,230
for the guitar and a story about a man

2024
01:29:38,709 --> 01:29:35,150
who bought it off a man called Larry

2025
01:29:41,979 --> 01:29:38,719
Warren who wrote a book about UFOs and

2026
01:29:44,500 --> 01:29:41,989
aliens the Katara's made several

2027
01:29:48,250 --> 01:29:44,510
appearances over the years in auctions

2028
01:29:49,810 --> 01:29:48,260
but every time somebody's bought it it

2029
01:29:52,300 --> 01:29:49,820
has to be returned and the money

2030
01:29:54,069 --> 01:29:52,310
refunded all the money was never even

2031
01:29:58,209 --> 01:29:54,079
handed over because it was proven to be

2032
01:30:00,399 --> 01:29:58,219
fake before that happened now I want to

2033
01:30:01,030 --> 01:30:00,409
talk about Larry Warren and Adrian bust

2034
01:30:03,339 --> 01:30:01,040
Inza

2035
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:03,349
larry states he was with adrian all

2036
01:30:09,189 --> 01:30:06,530
nights and 11:30 adrienne picked him up

2037
01:30:12,939 --> 01:30:09,199
from his post and drove him to the light

2038
01:30:14,979 --> 01:30:12,949
halls and then on to Carol green as I've

2039
01:30:17,109 --> 01:30:14,989
already stated Adrienne said that never

2040
01:30:19,660 --> 01:30:17,119
happened Adrienne was with Colonel Holt

2041
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:19,670
all nights something Carol Holt has told

2042
01:30:24,370 --> 01:30:22,250
me personally is correct Larry also

2043
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:24,380
states that he and Adrian were taken

2044
01:30:30,069 --> 01:30:26,690
together and debriefed in an underground

2045
01:30:33,819 --> 01:30:30,079
alien base Larry now denies ever saying

2046
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:33,829
this I don't know where it's from what

2047
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:36,050
it's about but I saw the reaction to it

2048
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:37,610
by our government

2049
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:39,530
I went through was he breathing not an

2050
01:30:43,419 --> 01:30:41,690
underground base with an alien the no

2051
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:43,429
one fixed the spaceship and all the

2052
01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:45,290
things that have been said over the

2053
01:30:51,310 --> 01:30:49,280
years because I sure didn't Sam I'm now

2054
01:30:56,620 --> 01:30:51,320
going to read chapter three from the

2055
01:31:02,169 --> 01:30:56,630
book left at Eastgate it's simply titled

2056
01:31:05,290 --> 01:31:02,179
underground it was now dark five maybe

2057
01:31:07,270 --> 01:31:05,300
six o'clock I reflected on my lenient

2058
01:31:11,140 --> 01:31:07,280
treatment at the office of communication

2059
01:31:14,109 --> 01:31:11,150
security squadron COMSEC only a small

2060
01:31:17,020 --> 01:31:14,119
fine and no letter of reprimand man I

2061
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:17,030
was lucky and you my mother would be

2062
01:31:21,609 --> 01:31:19,250
concerned had she heard all I had said

2063
01:31:23,379 --> 01:31:21,619
on the phone probably not I'd have to

2064
01:31:25,930 --> 01:31:23,389
write her a letter mainly from one of

2065
01:31:27,879 --> 01:31:25,940
the town's off-base no one would know

2066
01:31:31,060 --> 01:31:27,889
and I'd be free to say more about what

2067
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:31,070
had happened I was drained of energy but

2068
01:31:34,810 --> 01:31:32,960
it was too late to catch any sleep

2069
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:34,820
I'd have to catch up in the morning

2070
01:31:40,270 --> 01:31:37,610
maybe after a six-pack and boy did that

2071
01:31:43,149 --> 01:31:40,280
sound good eating was out of the

2072
01:31:44,830 --> 01:31:43,159
question I had no time I walked

2073
01:31:47,229 --> 01:31:44,840
downstairs to the day room and caught

2074
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:47,239
the news on ITV and a little bit of

2075
01:31:50,709 --> 01:31:48,050
Fawlty Towers

2076
01:31:53,379 --> 01:31:50,719
the Daum phone rang and my friend Dave

2077
01:31:56,020 --> 01:31:53,389
answered it I heard him say from the

2078
01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:56,030
hall yes he's right here as he pointed

2079
01:32:00,430 --> 01:31:57,770
the receiver in my direction

2080
01:32:02,530 --> 01:32:00,440
I had a sinking feeling as I approached

2081
01:32:04,919 --> 01:32:02,540
the phone every time the phone rung that

2082
01:32:09,359 --> 01:32:04,929
day I found myself in more hot water

2083
01:32:11,500 --> 01:32:09,369
hello Emma Warren yes this is Warren I

2084
01:32:13,930 --> 01:32:11,510
didn't know the male voice on the other

2085
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:13,940
end the call sounded as if it were

2086
01:32:17,820 --> 01:32:16,130
long-distance connection as if the

2087
01:32:20,530 --> 01:32:17,830
caller's voice were in a vacuum

2088
01:32:22,510 --> 01:32:20,540
mm Warren could you meets a car in the

2089
01:32:25,930 --> 01:32:22,520
darn parking lot in 20 minutes

2090
01:32:28,419 --> 01:32:25,940
I asked who are you the voice responded

2091
01:32:31,090 --> 01:32:28,429
that it wasn't important please meet the

2092
01:32:33,729 --> 01:32:31,100
car in 20 minutes I asked how I would

2093
01:32:36,340 --> 01:32:33,739
recognize the car the voice said it will

2094
01:32:38,620 --> 01:32:36,350
be a dark blue sedan upscale you'll know

2095
01:32:41,740 --> 01:32:38,630
it when you see it I asked if his

2096
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:41,750
request concerned the UFO incident yes

2097
01:32:46,870 --> 01:32:44,690
the voice responded am I in trouble

2098
01:32:49,180 --> 01:32:46,880
will I be late for my shift I have to

2099
01:32:51,399 --> 01:32:49,190
work tonight the answer to both

2100
01:32:53,709 --> 01:32:51,409
questions was now he

2101
01:32:56,830 --> 01:32:53,719
continued you do not have to be in

2102
01:32:59,859 --> 01:32:56,840
uniform and Warren remember 20 minutes

2103
01:33:02,589 --> 01:32:59,869
okay another airman will be with you you

2104
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:02,599
won't miss the car will you no sir

2105
01:33:08,049 --> 01:33:05,570
the man hung up while staring at some

2106
01:33:12,339 --> 01:33:08,059
pro ira graffiti on the wall in front of

2107
01:33:14,350 --> 01:33:12,349
me i hesitantly did the same upstairs in

2108
01:33:16,959 --> 01:33:14,360
my room i grabbed the heavy jackets and

2109
01:33:18,939 --> 01:33:16,969
headed for the parking lots the weather

2110
01:33:21,699 --> 01:33:18,949
had turned colder and more winter like

2111
01:33:23,589 --> 01:33:21,709
but the brisk air sharpened my senses i

2112
01:33:26,500 --> 01:33:23,599
wished i had been stationed in

2113
01:33:29,049 --> 01:33:26,510
california or a warmer climate anywhere

2114
01:33:32,109 --> 01:33:29,059
but england it just wasn't fun anymore

2115
01:33:34,929 --> 01:33:32,119
i could see the car no it looked like a

2116
01:33:37,029 --> 01:33:34,939
Lincoln Town Car as I got closer it's

2117
01:33:40,299 --> 01:33:37,039
orange and blue New York state plates

2118
01:33:42,819 --> 01:33:40,309
made me strangely homesick across the

2119
01:33:46,089 --> 01:33:42,829
lot another airman walked toward the car

2120
01:33:48,669 --> 01:33:46,099
it was Adrian boost Inza he had been in

2121
01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:48,679
the field with me the night before as we

2122
01:33:52,359 --> 01:33:50,719
neared the car I turned so Adrian and

2123
01:33:55,270 --> 01:33:52,369
said how are you doing

2124
01:33:57,129 --> 01:33:55,280
he just waved back the cow was in the

2125
01:34:00,069 --> 01:33:57,139
far end of the lot near the new housing

2126
01:34:02,890 --> 01:34:00,079
construction site not a soul was in the

2127
01:34:05,020 --> 01:34:02,900
lot with us the front doors opened two

2128
01:34:07,390 --> 01:34:05,030
men got out of the car they were dressed

2129
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:07,400
in civilian clothes I can't remember the

2130
01:34:12,459 --> 01:34:10,130
details of their faces they opened the

2131
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:12,469
doors of the backseat once I was next to

2132
01:34:17,319 --> 01:34:14,570
the car I looked at the interior before

2133
01:34:20,169 --> 01:34:17,329
I climbed in and you something was wrong

2134
01:34:22,449 --> 01:34:20,179
the interior was just too bright with a

2135
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:22,459
greenish glow as if the dash lights were

2136
01:34:28,419 --> 01:34:25,610
amplified 500 times it was eerie

2137
01:34:30,819 --> 01:34:28,429
the man said nothing and as I bent

2138
01:34:34,089 --> 01:34:30,829
forward to get in everything went black

2139
01:34:36,429 --> 01:34:34,099
I was in a void and knew I was seated in

2140
01:34:39,549 --> 01:34:36,439
the car and I knew Adrian was next to me

2141
01:34:41,739 --> 01:34:39,559
but I couldn't talk or move however I

2142
01:34:45,250 --> 01:34:41,749
could hear I felt like I'd been

2143
01:34:47,469 --> 01:34:45,260
anesthetized I heard no conversation in

2144
01:34:49,359 --> 01:34:47,479
the car though I wanted to hear anything

2145
01:34:51,359 --> 01:34:49,369
to take me out of my semi-conscious

2146
01:34:53,620 --> 01:34:51,369
state but that's all I can remember

2147
01:34:56,679 --> 01:34:53,630
until I heard the engine of an a-10

2148
01:34:59,439 --> 01:34:56,689
taking off I was on the Bentwaters

2149
01:35:02,620 --> 01:34:59,449
flight line I knew it but that was all I

2150
01:35:05,020 --> 01:35:02,630
knew suddenly I felt fresh air hit my

2151
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:05,030
face I could smell it I

2152
01:35:09,670 --> 01:35:06,890
now out of the car and walking are

2153
01:35:11,860 --> 01:35:09,680
moving in some direction I sense people

2154
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:11,870
around me but I was never touched are

2155
01:35:17,470 --> 01:35:15,290
pushed next I had a definite sensation

2156
01:35:20,650 --> 01:35:17,480
of descent as if I were in an elevator

2157
01:35:23,890 --> 01:35:20,660
causing pressure changes in my ears then

2158
01:35:25,660 --> 01:35:23,900
I lost consciousness regaining my vision

2159
01:35:28,270 --> 01:35:25,670
I found myself in a small cafeteria

2160
01:35:30,430 --> 01:35:28,280
style dining area complete with

2161
01:35:32,860 --> 01:35:30,440
stainless steel and glass serving areas

2162
01:35:34,450 --> 01:35:32,870
the workers whilst under some history

2163
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:34,460
caps with white overalls

2164
01:35:38,350 --> 01:35:36,650
a few airmen were scattered around the

2165
01:35:38,980 --> 01:35:38,360
room at different tables looking very

2166
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:38,990
lost

2167
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:42,560
I felt heavily sedated a hamburger was

2168
01:35:47,290 --> 01:35:44,810
on a tray in front of me but I cannot

2169
01:35:49,390 --> 01:35:47,300
remember eating the lighting was strange

2170
01:35:52,770 --> 01:35:49,400
the walls were covered in cream colored

2171
01:35:55,780 --> 01:35:52,780
tiles next I was walking along a hallway

2172
01:35:57,730 --> 01:35:55,790
this image is very clear rooms

2173
01:36:00,100 --> 01:35:57,740
containing high-tech machines and

2174
01:36:02,140 --> 01:36:00,110
computers of some sorts a male and

2175
01:36:04,210 --> 01:36:02,150
female technicians dressed in orange and

2176
01:36:07,990 --> 01:36:04,220
blue uniforms lining each side of the

2177
01:36:10,450 --> 01:36:08,000
narrow corridor I was in a small group

2178
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:10,460
of airmen leading the way where two men

2179
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:13,370
dressed in black SWAT type uniforms they

2180
01:36:17,050 --> 01:36:15,170
said little if anything to us as we

2181
01:36:20,980 --> 01:36:17,060
stopped in front of a large pressurized

2182
01:36:23,500 --> 01:36:20,990
or a small alarm sound sounded as the

2183
01:36:25,470 --> 01:36:23,510
seal was electronically broken the

2184
01:36:27,790 --> 01:36:25,480
massive door quietly moved to the right

2185
01:36:30,370 --> 01:36:27,800
disappearing into the tiled wall

2186
01:36:32,980 --> 01:36:30,380
I remember our being motioned forward

2187
01:36:33,730 --> 01:36:32,990
into a large semi dark rectangular

2188
01:36:36,250 --> 01:36:33,740
shaped room

2189
01:36:39,580 --> 01:36:36,260
the lighting was again strange with a

2190
01:36:41,410 --> 01:36:39,590
dull silvery tone to it so my left was

2191
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:41,420
an opening in the wall the floor

2192
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:43,970
continued about five feet into it and

2193
01:36:49,570 --> 01:36:46,690
ended at an angled glass or plexiglass

2194
01:36:52,030 --> 01:36:49,580
full-length window with glass sides for

2195
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:52,040
peripheral vision the opening was

2196
01:36:58,090 --> 01:36:55,360
perhaps six feet tall by far feet wide

2197
01:37:01,180 --> 01:36:58,100
only two or three people could fit into

2198
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:01,190
it at a time I stepped into the confined

2199
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:04,250
area and felt as if I was no longer on

2200
01:37:10,450 --> 01:37:07,040
earth I found myself looking into a

2201
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:10,460
gigantic dark cavernous space it

2202
01:37:15,250 --> 01:37:12,290
reminded me of the interior of the

2203
01:37:17,170 --> 01:37:15,260
Houston Astrodome in a strange way beads

2204
01:37:18,850 --> 01:37:17,180
of humidity rolled down the other side

2205
01:37:20,979 --> 01:37:18,860
of the seamless glass

2206
01:37:24,510 --> 01:37:20,989
far below I saw movement on a liquid

2207
01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:24,520
black flower perhaps people perhaps not

2208
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:27,920
also and objects much like the one I'd

2209
01:37:31,870 --> 01:37:29,690
seen the night before but not so

2210
01:37:34,990 --> 01:37:31,880
illuminated was resting in a far corner

2211
01:37:37,180 --> 01:37:35,000
of the facility in the black void there

2212
01:37:39,729 --> 01:37:37,190
were other strange objects all different

2213
01:37:42,700 --> 01:37:39,739
in shape slowly flying across my line of

2214
01:37:44,649 --> 01:37:42,710
sight I looked to my right to see a

2215
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:44,659
large opening in a wall it looked

2216
01:37:48,910 --> 01:37:46,730
familiar to me I'd seen something

2217
01:37:52,450 --> 01:37:48,920
similar before I just couldn't remember

2218
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:52,460
where the curving tiled walls looked wet

2219
01:37:57,399 --> 01:37:54,560
and three large bands of light were

2220
01:37:59,350 --> 01:37:57,409
visible from my vantage points one of

2221
01:38:03,669 --> 01:37:59,360
our escorts said it was a tunnel that

2222
01:38:05,740 --> 01:38:03,679
led into the North Sea I turned away and

2223
01:38:09,820 --> 01:38:05,750
was directed to the large door along

2224
01:38:13,330 --> 01:38:09,830
with the other man it opened we were now

2225
01:38:15,370 --> 01:38:13,340
Marsh motion forward turning left we

2226
01:38:18,370 --> 01:38:15,380
walked down a longer hallway and entered

2227
01:38:20,859 --> 01:38:18,380
a small room there we were directed to

2228
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:20,869
large red cushioned chairs they looked a

2229
01:38:26,250 --> 01:38:24,170
little like airplane seats I sat in the

2230
01:38:28,419 --> 01:38:26,260
first row adrian was to my right

2231
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:28,429
directly in front of us was a large

2232
01:38:34,540 --> 01:38:31,489
translucent screen about five feet tall

2233
01:38:36,970 --> 01:38:34,550
and far feet wide suddenly I could do

2234
01:38:38,859 --> 01:38:36,980
nothing but look straight assets my head

2235
01:38:42,010 --> 01:38:38,869
could not turn left or right I was

2236
01:38:43,870 --> 01:38:42,020
frozen in place the screen grew bright

2237
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:43,880
yet the light was soft on my eyes

2238
01:38:48,399 --> 01:38:46,250
through it I saw a silhouette of

2239
01:38:51,580 --> 01:38:48,409
somebody but detail was impossible to

2240
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:51,590
make out I didn't feel any fear at this

2241
01:38:56,020 --> 01:38:53,570
time I had a heightened sense of

2242
01:38:57,609 --> 01:38:56,030
curiosity along with an intense need to

2243
01:39:00,790 --> 01:38:57,619
talk to the small figure behind the

2244
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:00,800
screen it never moved but all around me

2245
01:39:07,180 --> 01:39:03,170
a new conversation was taking place I

2246
01:39:08,590 --> 01:39:07,190
couldn't hear it I sensed it I don't

2247
01:39:12,220 --> 01:39:08,600
know how long it was before it's very

2248
01:39:16,500 --> 01:39:12,230
very pissed my brain but when it did I

2249
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:16,510
was amazed a strange sensation indeed

2250
01:39:21,100 --> 01:39:19,010
somebody was talking to me without words

2251
01:39:23,709 --> 01:39:21,110
yet I was fully aware of the

2252
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:23,719
conversation the voice was soft and

2253
01:39:29,470 --> 01:39:26,090
reassuring definitely male with an

2254
01:39:30,910 --> 01:39:29,480
accent I couldn't identify it would be

2255
01:39:32,589 --> 01:39:30,920
impossible to try and repeat the

2256
01:39:34,449 --> 01:39:32,599
interruption verbatim

2257
01:39:36,969 --> 01:39:34,459
because I can't remember it the order of

2258
01:39:39,489 --> 01:39:36,979
conversation some point stand out

2259
01:39:41,919 --> 01:39:39,499
clearly though the voice communicated

2260
01:39:44,319 --> 01:39:41,929
telepathically it addressed me by my

2261
01:39:46,239 --> 01:39:44,329
first name the voice went on to

2262
01:39:49,330 --> 01:39:46,249
demonstrate a great familiarity with

2263
01:39:51,879 --> 01:39:49,340
events from my life my being adopted my

2264
01:39:54,339 --> 01:39:51,889
parents separation my love of music and

2265
01:39:57,399 --> 01:39:54,349
creativity my disappointment with

2266
01:40:01,750 --> 01:39:57,409
religion my instincts for aggression and

2267
01:40:04,659 --> 01:40:01,760
my quest for inner and outer peace it

2268
01:40:06,969 --> 01:40:04,669
knew I had an open mind the voice knew

2269
01:40:08,889 --> 01:40:06,979
my strengths and weaknesses and ended

2270
01:40:12,879 --> 01:40:08,899
every statement or description of my

2271
01:40:15,759 --> 01:40:12,889
life by saying do you remember I wasn't

2272
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:15,769
offended by the intrusions I never felt

2273
01:40:22,029 --> 01:40:18,050
threatened each time he asked if I

2274
01:40:24,009 --> 01:40:22,039
remembered I did not answer I knew it

2275
01:40:26,319 --> 01:40:24,019
didn't mean for me to remember events of

2276
01:40:29,199 --> 01:40:26,329
my life it wanted me to remember

2277
01:40:32,830 --> 01:40:29,209
something else but I couldn't or didn't

2278
01:40:34,959 --> 01:40:32,840
want to I thought back at the figure

2279
01:40:37,839 --> 01:40:34,969
during a lull in the conversation I

2280
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:37,849
asked who it was and where I was the

2281
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:40,489
response was direct into the points the

2282
01:40:44,589 --> 01:40:42,050
figure was a being from a place I would

2283
01:40:47,649 --> 01:40:44,599
never understand it was not from my

2284
01:40:50,109 --> 01:40:47,659
reality it never said another planets or

2285
01:40:52,149 --> 01:40:50,119
anything like that it's only made the

2286
01:40:55,689 --> 01:40:52,159
point that I could not comprehend what

2287
01:40:57,879 --> 01:40:55,699
it was or where it came from it went on

2288
01:41:00,879 --> 01:40:57,889
to say that I was in the facility far

2289
01:41:03,339 --> 01:41:00,889
below the air bases the installations

2290
01:41:06,279 --> 01:41:03,349
contained many of its kind along with

2291
01:41:09,429 --> 01:41:06,289
human support personnel the facility had

2292
01:41:12,489 --> 01:41:09,439
been there since the 1940s and expanded

2293
01:41:14,799 --> 01:41:12,499
in the late 1960s the crafts they

2294
01:41:17,709 --> 01:41:14,809
traveled in entered and exited via an

2295
01:41:20,259 --> 01:41:17,719
extensive tunnel system one exit was a

2296
01:41:23,469 --> 01:41:20,269
mile off Lowestoft in suffolk another

2297
01:41:25,330 --> 01:41:23,479
near the offered key the silhouette went

2298
01:41:28,569 --> 01:41:25,340
on to say there are many civilizations

2299
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:28,579
civilizations from office earth existing

2300
01:41:34,509 --> 01:41:31,010
here they are intimate with the u.s.

2301
01:41:36,909 --> 01:41:34,519
USSR UK and Japanese governments at

2302
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:36,919
their highest levels and have been here

2303
01:41:41,919 --> 01:41:40,159
since World War two I was disturbed when

2304
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:41,929
it said religion was created for the

2305
01:41:46,489 --> 01:41:44,239
human race and I still don't believe it

2306
01:41:48,939 --> 01:41:46,499
maybe I just don't want to

2307
01:41:51,169 --> 01:41:48,949
it went on to say that the Cold War was

2308
01:41:53,390 --> 01:41:51,179
non-existence and that third world

2309
01:41:56,509 --> 01:41:53,400
countries are where our future battles

2310
01:41:58,609 --> 01:41:56,519
will be fought its race is blended into

2311
01:42:01,850 --> 01:41:58,619
our society at all levels

2312
01:42:04,489 --> 01:42:01,860
this facility is one of many processing

2313
01:42:06,580 --> 01:42:04,499
zones throughout the world this facility

2314
01:42:09,049 --> 01:42:06,590
and others likely are vital

2315
01:42:11,390 --> 01:42:09,059
contamination safeguards are in place to

2316
01:42:13,489 --> 01:42:11,400
ensure this one being the technical

2317
01:42:17,629 --> 01:42:13,499
ability to make Bentwaters and

2318
01:42:20,180 --> 01:42:17,639
Woodbridge bases vanish I didn't know

2319
01:42:23,989 --> 01:42:20,190
what that meant but assumed it meant to

2320
01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:23,999
be in the literal sense I was selected

2321
01:42:29,899 --> 01:42:27,840
along with others because they knew us I

2322
01:42:33,259 --> 01:42:29,909
vaguely remember you telling me about

2323
01:42:35,299 --> 01:42:33,269
politics and corporations and that I

2324
01:42:38,209 --> 01:42:35,309
would not remember most of my experience

2325
01:42:40,009 --> 01:42:38,219
mainly for my own protection the last

2326
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:40,019
part of the communication was like a

2327
01:42:46,969 --> 01:42:43,679
farewell the being said Larry in your

2328
01:42:50,060 --> 01:42:46,979
life strive to remember once again I

2329
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:50,070
fell into blackness I regain

2330
01:42:54,529 --> 01:42:51,690
consciousness while walking through a

2331
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:54,539
door the sunlight was brilliance as the

2332
01:42:58,879 --> 01:42:56,880
door slams shut behind me I noticed to

2333
01:43:01,399 --> 01:42:58,889
my left a few Airmen working on a light

2334
01:43:04,459 --> 01:43:01,409
all while a crew chief backed orders at

2335
01:43:06,830 --> 01:43:04,469
them to my right to a TENS were taxiing

2336
01:43:08,959 --> 01:43:06,840
for takeoff across the road alone

2337
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:08,969
security policeman was manning his post

2338
01:43:14,540 --> 01:43:12,210
in a priority care aircraft area a car

2339
01:43:16,759 --> 01:43:14,550
pass containing some pilots they were

2340
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:16,769
laughing about something maybe the

2341
01:43:20,750 --> 01:43:19,050
mission that awaited them or maybe at

2342
01:43:24,140 --> 01:43:20,760
the snaps picking up garbage with

2343
01:43:27,739 --> 01:43:24,150
pointed sticks I was back but from where

2344
01:43:29,719 --> 01:43:27,749
I turned around with a vengeance and

2345
01:43:31,819 --> 01:43:29,729
opened the door I just passed through I

2346
01:43:33,890 --> 01:43:31,829
had taken two steps forward when a

2347
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:33,900
female administrative client behind a

2348
01:43:38,689 --> 01:43:37,199
desk asked if she could help me I stared

2349
01:43:40,819 --> 01:43:38,699
at her looking for any hint or

2350
01:43:43,819 --> 01:43:40,829
expression on her face that would tell

2351
01:43:45,709 --> 01:43:43,829
me she knew that was nothing No thank

2352
01:43:46,189 --> 01:43:45,719
you I said and then turned and left the

2353
01:43:49,100 --> 01:43:46,199
building

2354
01:43:51,649 --> 01:43:49,110
the Bentwaters photo processing lab I

2355
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:51,659
walked quickly quickly to a transport

2356
01:43:56,689 --> 01:43:54,210
bus and gotten bored during the light

2357
01:43:58,879 --> 01:43:56,699
ride back to the dorm area I strove to

2358
01:44:00,319 --> 01:43:58,889
remember all that had happened while

2359
01:44:03,140 --> 01:44:00,329
simultaneously

2360
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:03,150
wanting to kill the memory everyone on

2361
01:44:08,689 --> 01:44:05,280
the bus was excited because that night

2362
01:44:10,910 --> 01:44:08,699
was new yet New Year's Eve back at my

2363
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:10,920
Dom a note on my door informed me that

2364
01:44:14,810 --> 01:44:12,960
I'd be changing shifts and would not

2365
01:44:17,379 --> 01:44:14,820
have to report for work until the start

2366
01:44:22,069 --> 01:44:17,389
of the next week on the 2nd of January

2367
01:44:24,589 --> 01:44:22,079
it was sung by my shift supervisor I ran

2368
01:44:26,450 --> 01:44:24,599
into Steve La Plume in the hallway he

2369
01:44:28,939 --> 01:44:26,460
asked where I had been the last two days

2370
01:44:31,609 --> 01:44:28,949
he said Larry I heard you were on

2371
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:31,619
emergency leave I didn't know how to

2372
01:44:37,129 --> 01:44:34,290
answer him two days what the hell was

2373
01:44:38,959 --> 01:44:37,139
going on I remember buying two bottles

2374
01:44:41,450 --> 01:44:38,969
of champagne that day and hiding one

2375
01:44:43,790 --> 01:44:41,460
near a garbage dumpster should I need it

2376
01:44:45,319 --> 01:44:43,800
I was invited to a New Year's party at

2377
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:45,329
the women's barracks that night I

2378
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:47,520
applied myself well with beer and

2379
01:44:51,890 --> 01:44:49,920
champagne and recalled how important it

2380
01:44:53,390 --> 01:44:51,900
seemed at one point to try and fit

2381
01:44:57,830 --> 01:44:53,400
inside a refrigerator

2382
01:45:01,010 --> 01:44:57,840
I got trashed a few brief hours into

2383
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:01,020
1981 Rick Bertolli no and Lieutenant

2384
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:04,320
Colonel halts and said the room and

2385
01:45:08,299 --> 01:45:07,199
ordered all males out of the building it

2386
01:45:10,910 --> 01:45:08,309
was past curfew

2387
01:45:13,729 --> 01:45:10,920
I remember halts extracting me from the

2388
01:45:17,209 --> 01:45:13,739
refrigerator and asking if I was okay to

2389
01:45:18,979 --> 01:45:17,219
get home or would I need a ride I turned

2390
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:18,989
and put my arm on his shoulder and

2391
01:45:23,569 --> 01:45:20,880
wished him a happy new year and offered

2392
01:45:25,879 --> 01:45:23,579
him a drink of champagne he declined and

2393
01:45:27,770 --> 01:45:25,889
showed me to the door once outside I

2394
01:45:30,290 --> 01:45:27,780
staggered across the lawn on roots my

2395
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:30,300
Dom a girl I knew called me from her

2396
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:32,610
first-floor window I walked back to the

2397
01:45:37,220 --> 01:45:35,040
building and with a sharp run dived

2398
01:45:40,100 --> 01:45:37,230
through her open window taking out her

2399
01:45:42,169 --> 01:45:40,110
stereo in the process I think I passed

2400
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:42,179
out when I hit the floor I never did

2401
01:45:47,030 --> 01:45:43,530
make it to that second bottle of

2402
01:45:49,459 --> 01:45:47,040
champagne as the first morning of 1981

2403
01:45:52,609 --> 01:45:49,469
dawned I work with one of the worst

2404
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:52,619
hangovers of my life and worse a new

2405
01:46:00,260 --> 01:45:55,770
insights I didn't want I'd left part of

2406
01:46:02,209 --> 01:46:00,270
my soul somewhere underground I went

2407
01:46:04,549 --> 01:46:02,219
through with me breathing an underground

2408
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:04,559
base with an alien that no one fixed the

2409
01:46:07,510 --> 01:46:05,570
spaceship and

2410
01:46:11,170 --> 01:46:07,520
things that have been said over the

2411
01:46:13,630 --> 01:46:11,180
years by Chernin Sam no guards to play

2412
01:46:16,540 --> 01:46:13,640
you a segment of the Adrienne Boston's a

2413
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:16,550
full radio interview on the Rendlesham

2414
01:46:26,380 --> 01:46:20,090
forest incident this is on Rodney

2415
01:46:28,510 --> 01:46:26,390
McKay's YouTube account I was told that

2416
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:28,520
some people were there to see me to come

2417
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:29,330
downstairs

2418
01:46:38,440 --> 01:46:30,890
we were up like in the second third

2419
01:46:43,300 --> 01:46:38,450
floor OSI office

2420
01:46:46,990 --> 01:46:43,310
I wrote a statement up to two and a half

2421
01:46:48,970 --> 01:46:47,000
pages maybe three pages long try to get

2422
01:46:50,410 --> 01:46:48,980
a copy of it and give me a copy that

2423
01:46:53,590 --> 01:46:50,420
that would give me one I never received

2424
01:46:56,890 --> 01:46:53,600
a copy of it I remember going and didn't

2425
01:46:58,780 --> 01:46:56,900
be briefed by major Ziegler and he just

2426
01:47:01,030 --> 01:46:58,790
told me basically you know just go

2427
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:01,040
operate they were to tell you to do and

2428
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:03,890
so forth she wasn't really involved with

2429
01:47:11,710 --> 01:47:07,730
the situation he wasn't out there and

2430
01:47:16,030 --> 01:47:11,720
this was already you know the next

2431
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:16,040
morning and through the years I've tried

2432
01:47:23,830 --> 01:47:20,690
to recall certain spaces of things that

2433
01:47:26,020 --> 01:47:23,840
were empty that out what happened in

2434
01:47:27,820 --> 01:47:26,030
between how did I get back to the

2435
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:27,830
barracks I don't recall how I got back

2436
01:47:32,440 --> 01:47:30,770
to the fort I'm sure I got a ride on

2437
01:47:36,460 --> 01:47:32,450
somebody or throw something but I don't

2438
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:36,470
recall how I remember seeing you when I

2439
01:47:46,450 --> 01:47:43,730
was through placing my for putting my

2440
01:47:51,100 --> 01:47:46,460
statement in and giving it to the OSI

2441
01:47:58,120 --> 01:47:51,110
officers they how was coming out the

2442
01:48:00,280 --> 01:47:58,130
building I recall running into John you

2443
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:00,290
know kind of just I believe I just kind

2444
01:48:05,170 --> 01:48:01,730
of looked at John I only remember about

2445
01:48:06,970 --> 01:48:05,180
sitting thing you're not and I remember

2446
01:48:08,860 --> 01:48:06,980
shaking my head and you know they would

2447
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:08,870
told me not to speak to anybody nothing

2448
01:48:12,250 --> 01:48:10,610
you know say anything to anyone because

2449
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:12,260
it was a current investigation going on

2450
01:48:18,650 --> 01:48:14,330
for challengers to it so I tried not to

2451
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:18,660
speak to anyone but

2452
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:20,970
you know I wanted to call home I

2453
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:24,570
remember I called home I get that blow

2454
01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:27,570
of silence by doing that because kind of

2455
01:48:33,950 --> 01:48:29,520
told my parents and my mom basically

2456
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:33,960
what had going on it happened and that's

2457
01:48:38,060 --> 01:48:35,810
what my mom told me and she says well

2458
01:48:39,980 --> 01:48:38,070
that's kind of funny she says because

2459
01:48:41,930 --> 01:48:39,990
we've had some vehicle some black

2460
01:48:43,580 --> 01:48:41,940
vehicles out here with man sitting in

2461
01:48:46,090 --> 01:48:43,590
them and they've been in front of a

2462
01:48:50,030 --> 01:48:46,100
house had been at the end of the street

2463
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:50,040
for my parents live at the time and she

2464
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:52,650
says what's going on and I was trying to

2465
01:48:55,700 --> 01:48:54,210
explain it to her and she when I said

2466
01:48:57,890 --> 01:48:55,710
the big hole about they talked about her

2467
01:49:01,190 --> 01:48:57,900
main thing she said I remember my mom

2468
01:49:02,990 --> 01:49:01,200
said well don't say anything remember

2469
01:49:05,900 --> 01:49:03,000
your dad works for the government so you

2470
01:49:10,630 --> 01:49:05,910
you know do what you're being told to do

2471
01:49:14,990 --> 01:49:10,640
and I remember telling my mom okay and

2472
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:15,000
we hung up and I want to thank was later

2473
01:49:20,750 --> 01:49:17,760
that evening or that afternoon I was

2474
01:49:23,150 --> 01:49:20,760
somebody came to my room I don't recall

2475
01:49:25,970 --> 01:49:23,160
who it was I want to say it was it might

2476
01:49:28,730 --> 01:49:25,980
have been Skinner who was my roommate at

2477
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:28,740
the time or Atromitos II who was another

2478
01:49:34,010 --> 01:49:32,400
roommate of mine and they told me that

2479
01:49:37,700 --> 01:49:34,020
somebody wanted to talk to me downstairs

2480
01:49:40,730 --> 01:49:37,710
I went to the end of the barracks over

2481
01:49:43,940 --> 01:49:40,740
that and I looked from the belt from the

2482
01:49:46,010 --> 01:49:43,950
end of the steps and some gentleman

2483
01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:46,020
little down there and and it was a Air

2484
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:49,410
Force car yeah a government car ready

2485
01:49:57,020 --> 01:49:55,050
and I said I'll be down in a minute and

2486
01:49:59,180 --> 01:49:57,030
I went down and asking to get in the car

2487
01:50:01,370 --> 01:49:59,190
where we're going and they say we each

2488
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:01,380
get in the cars got some more question

2489
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:05,760
so I got in the car with him and we

2490
01:50:09,230 --> 01:50:07,650
ended up and we drove to Woodbridge we

2491
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:09,240
didn't go to the other side often what's

2492
01:50:17,780 --> 01:50:14,130
the fridge base and there were they when

2493
01:50:21,290 --> 01:50:17,790
you go into Woodbridge when you do go to

2494
01:50:26,390 --> 01:50:21,300
bridge bridge you would have to kind of

2495
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:26,400
go it's out one gate and then you end up

2496
01:50:33,130 --> 01:50:28,170
going through the gate or through the

2497
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:37,729
they kind of ask questions as far as you

2498
01:50:42,979 --> 01:50:41,010
know I blow you at when you first got

2499
01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:42,989
reported to you and so forth so we went

2500
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:46,770
through the scenario and I sprained that

2501
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:48,719
to them I pointed in a direction I'll

2502
01:50:58,250 --> 01:50:55,760
security the specialist was security

2503
01:51:00,110 --> 01:50:58,260
specialist was I told them where I had

2504
01:51:01,820 --> 01:51:00,120
been driving around and where I saw the

2505
01:51:03,110 --> 01:51:01,830
lights when I was driving for direction

2506
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:03,120
I came from and so forth

2507
01:51:10,250 --> 01:51:07,410
and we got back in the vehicle we went

2508
01:51:11,780 --> 01:51:10,260
back to Bentwaters and it's better going

2509
01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:11,790
back to the barracks just about what I

2510
01:51:19,490 --> 01:51:17,130
was going he ended up going to the area

2511
01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:19,500
was like for driving for the security

2512
01:51:24,010 --> 01:51:21,810
base itself therefore we had our got my

2513
01:51:26,060 --> 01:51:24,020
dark mounts and stuff we pass through

2514
01:51:28,850 --> 01:51:26,070
maintenance and so forth and I saw the

2515
01:51:31,220 --> 01:51:28,860
camera there was this big old sign and

2516
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:31,230
there was his building and had where

2517
01:51:37,729 --> 01:51:34,800
they developed photographs and so forth

2518
01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:37,739
and I always called it the camera shop

2519
01:51:46,340 --> 01:51:44,370
and we we thought they pulled over they

2520
01:51:49,850 --> 01:51:46,350
got out they opened my door but come on

2521
01:51:51,140 --> 01:51:49,860
in oh I walked in at that point I

2522
01:51:52,430 --> 01:51:51,150
thought they were never going to show me

2523
01:51:57,410 --> 01:51:52,440
some pictures or something because

2524
01:51:59,830 --> 01:51:57,420
that's the area that we were in but that

2525
01:52:04,240 --> 01:51:59,840
wasn't the case when we went in it was

2526
01:52:07,669 --> 01:52:04,250
went in and it was like down a hallway

2527
01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:07,679
and we kept walking down that hallway

2528
01:52:17,500 --> 01:52:14,250
and there was a we went right and it was

2529
01:52:21,169 --> 01:52:17,510
like I think aboard some another hall

2530
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:21,179
and then we went into a room and at

2531
01:52:26,270 --> 01:52:24,570
first you know they could have a seat if

2532
01:52:27,979 --> 01:52:26,280
I was like whoa what's going on but you

2533
01:52:29,540 --> 01:52:27,989
think the room was kind of like empty

2534
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:29,550
with the table on the chair and I was

2535
01:52:34,100 --> 01:52:31,679
like well what's going on then we're

2536
01:52:35,810 --> 01:52:34,110
asking some questions and I really

2537
01:52:38,300 --> 01:52:35,820
didn't want to sit down I started

2538
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:38,310
getting scared at that point and I said

2539
01:52:41,810 --> 01:52:40,170
well I don't want to sit down I don't

2540
01:52:44,660 --> 01:52:41,820
want to do this at all I won't go back

2541
01:52:45,700 --> 01:52:44,670
to the parent to make there it was you

2542
01:52:47,830 --> 01:52:45,710
know

2543
01:52:51,310 --> 01:52:47,840
unis just down we're gonna ask you

2544
01:52:53,410 --> 01:52:51,320
questions and you to cooperate and one

2545
01:52:55,870 --> 01:52:53,420
of the guys put his hand on my shoulder

2546
01:53:01,510 --> 01:52:55,880
in force big down but was like you're

2547
01:53:03,250 --> 01:53:01,520
gonna sit down so I sat down and I

2548
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:03,260
started looking around and they turned

2549
01:53:07,930 --> 01:53:06,290
the lights off and that really spooked

2550
01:53:09,939 --> 01:53:07,940
me at that point and that's when the

2551
01:53:11,590 --> 01:53:09,949
light came out in front of me and I

2552
01:53:12,430 --> 01:53:11,600
don't recall seeing a light in front of

2553
01:53:14,530 --> 01:53:12,440
me at that point

2554
01:53:17,290 --> 01:53:14,540
but unlike him out in front of me and

2555
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:17,300
there was a gentleman I could see the

2556
01:53:23,350 --> 01:53:19,850
silhouette and he started asking me

2557
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:23,360
questions and he was asking me questions

2558
01:53:32,229 --> 01:53:26,090
as you know what did you see how this

2559
01:53:33,729 --> 01:53:32,239
and I I started asked him will you and

2560
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:33,739
he said you need to answer the question

2561
01:53:38,590 --> 01:53:36,650
never identified himself to you he said

2562
01:53:42,820 --> 01:53:38,600
I was he I needed to be more concerned

2563
01:53:45,010 --> 01:53:42,830
as to what I saw out there and to tell

2564
01:53:48,490 --> 01:53:45,020
him what I saw that you see we're going

2565
01:53:50,860 --> 01:53:48,500
to record anything and when he said

2566
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:50,870
record us a tape recorder what he was

2567
01:53:57,550 --> 01:53:55,130
not recording anything and I started to

2568
01:54:00,160 --> 01:53:57,560
tell him about the life respond what I

2569
01:54:03,810 --> 01:54:00,170
saw and when I was telling that there

2570
01:54:10,330 --> 01:54:07,270
interrogation that the gentleman told me

2571
01:54:12,850 --> 01:54:10,340
he says no you can see that you saw it

2572
01:54:15,459 --> 01:54:12,860
was the light houses the light shines

2573
01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:15,469
and it reflects off the freedom and I

2574
01:54:20,110 --> 01:54:17,330
said light doesn't reflect off a tree

2575
01:54:22,360 --> 01:54:20,120
light shines on the tree and you can see

2576
01:54:24,490 --> 01:54:22,370
the tree then when the light comes

2577
01:54:27,010 --> 01:54:24,500
around behind you or above you that's

2578
01:54:30,490 --> 01:54:27,020
not a life and he was very persistent

2579
01:54:32,919 --> 01:54:30,500
about it being the light from the

2580
01:54:34,390 --> 01:54:32,929
lighthouse and then I told him up there

2581
01:54:36,459 --> 01:54:34,400
will the light for the lighthouse is he

2582
01:54:40,390 --> 01:54:36,469
is it going to be it's gonna be white

2583
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:40,400
and it's gonna rotate but I said you

2584
01:54:45,580 --> 01:54:43,010
know supposedly that lighthouse was too

2585
01:54:46,709 --> 01:54:45,590
far away but then again and he said

2586
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:46,719
you're not hearing me

2587
01:54:53,350 --> 01:54:49,610
he says I'm telling you that you're

2588
01:54:58,750 --> 01:54:53,360
seeing this light from the lighthouse he

2589
01:55:00,940 --> 01:54:58,760
said that he wasn't he didn't have time

2590
01:55:03,220 --> 01:55:00,950
games that he knew that I needed to be

2591
01:55:06,340 --> 01:55:03,230
truthful and tell him what I really saw

2592
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:06,350
him which was the life from them and I

2593
01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:08,570
said I thought I was truthful with you I

2594
01:55:13,140 --> 01:55:10,970
saw the light at the Buddy the light was

2595
01:55:15,700 --> 01:55:13,150
Green and we flew in with orange

2596
01:55:19,780 --> 01:55:15,710
laughter yeah there was a white with

2597
01:55:21,790 --> 01:55:19,790
with a blue chip and then I told him at

2598
01:55:24,700 --> 01:55:21,800
that point that there was one point for

2599
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:24,710
the light one of the lights broke up

2600
01:55:31,630 --> 01:55:27,410
into about five different smaller lights

2601
01:55:35,290 --> 01:55:31,640
up it was a big like a big ball and it

2602
01:55:37,270 --> 01:55:35,300
just burns like a fire word to do and I

2603
01:55:39,610 --> 01:55:37,280
said and it broke out and they just kind

2604
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:39,620
of all maneuvered and then I'll just it

2605
01:55:52,390 --> 01:55:47,090
kind of left and there were silence and

2606
01:55:57,420 --> 01:55:52,400
he told me he said what you're telling

2607
01:56:01,390 --> 01:55:57,430
me he doesn't exist did not happen

2608
01:56:03,820 --> 01:56:01,400
I'm telling you what you saw it was the

2609
01:56:05,890 --> 01:56:03,830
lighthouse light and I said no sir after

2610
01:56:09,630 --> 01:56:05,900
you after your computer then you're

2611
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:09,640
confused I'm telling you and he said son

2612
01:56:21,610 --> 01:56:15,290
he said bullets are a dime a dozen he's

2613
01:56:24,910 --> 01:56:21,620
in your cheek do you understand I just

2614
01:56:28,540 --> 01:56:24,920
didn't know what the fainting was and I

2615
01:56:31,680 --> 01:56:28,550
said you don't understand and I felt a

2616
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:31,690
presence behind me like another body and

2617
01:56:35,740 --> 01:56:34,400
I knew there was more people in there

2618
01:56:40,360 --> 01:56:35,750
like two or three people because I was

2619
01:56:42,550 --> 01:56:40,370
walking by two gentlemen and you know he

2620
01:56:45,810 --> 01:56:42,560
told me again he said I'm gonna tell you

2621
01:56:49,210 --> 01:56:45,820
one more time what you saw was the light

2622
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:49,220
and the light was shining reflecting off

2623
01:56:55,330 --> 01:56:51,290
the trees and that's gonna be your story

2624
01:56:57,580 --> 01:56:55,340
if that's what you saw that no I didn't

2625
01:57:00,580 --> 01:56:57,590
that wasn't what I thought and he raised

2626
01:57:04,330 --> 01:57:00,590
his voice and the light kind of moved

2627
01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:04,340
and it was I couldn't see I put my hand

2628
01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:06,560
over my hides like kind of shading the

2629
01:57:09,940 --> 01:57:08,930
Sun from above and I was trying to see

2630
01:57:11,870 --> 01:57:09,950
and how I could see was like a

2631
01:57:14,090 --> 01:57:11,880
silhouette he says

2632
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:14,100
I told you once I'm gonna tell you for

2633
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:15,840
the last time bullets are cheap they're

2634
01:57:24,070 --> 01:57:19,010
diamonds oh you get the picture

2635
01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:24,080
and at that point I just agreed with him

2636
01:57:28,820 --> 01:57:26,610
because I got the picture

2637
01:57:31,100 --> 01:57:28,830
anybody could get the picture I listened

2638
01:57:35,630 --> 01:57:31,110
the first time but I thought it was just

2639
01:57:37,010 --> 01:57:35,640
him being using the tactic and at that

2640
01:57:40,610 --> 01:57:37,020
point I ain't know what to believe

2641
01:57:42,740 --> 01:57:40,620
anymore as far as who was responsible or

2642
01:57:45,590 --> 01:57:42,750
who was gonna do what and then my

2643
01:57:47,990 --> 01:57:45,600
position and what I did as a sergeant

2644
01:57:50,450 --> 01:57:48,000
and then being congedo I see every now

2645
01:57:52,850 --> 01:57:50,460
and then or running a fireteam team

2646
01:57:54,590 --> 01:57:52,860
leader I said you know people aren't

2647
01:57:56,990 --> 01:57:54,600
gonna look at me the same way people are

2648
01:57:59,050 --> 01:57:57,000
not gonna believe anything I say I want

2649
01:58:02,420 --> 01:57:59,060
to look down there I'm not gonna be

2650
01:58:04,910 --> 01:58:02,430
respected anymore and I'm a sergeant and

2651
01:58:08,540 --> 01:58:04,920
I think they're for certain I can't

2652
01:58:10,370 --> 01:58:08,550
afford that you know at the time only

2653
01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:10,380
looking for a career in a United States

2654
01:58:18,830 --> 01:58:13,410
Air Force you know that did happen not

2655
01:58:20,950 --> 01:58:18,840
after Bulger place but I recall getting

2656
01:58:26,540 --> 01:58:20,960
back to they drove me back to the

2657
01:58:28,990 --> 01:58:26,550
barracks and I believe I can't remember

2658
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:29,000
who was that night or the next morning

2659
01:58:34,010 --> 01:58:32,010
that's when I slipped a note on the

2660
01:58:37,490 --> 01:58:34,020
Larry's door and I told him that I

2661
01:58:39,890 --> 01:58:37,500
really needed to pocket as you've just

2662
01:58:41,470 --> 01:58:39,900
heard those two Testaments testimonies

2663
01:58:44,440 --> 01:58:41,480
are very very different

2664
01:58:47,570 --> 01:58:44,450
Adrienne was not debriefed with Warren

2665
01:58:49,250 --> 01:58:47,580
Warren later told me that he absorbed

2666
01:58:52,250 --> 01:58:49,260
Adrienne's account because he felt it

2667
01:58:54,020 --> 01:58:52,260
needed to be told also now you know

2668
01:58:56,750 --> 01:58:54,030
where the lighthouse comes into it

2669
01:59:00,110 --> 01:58:56,760
something else warrants Gafsa and blames

2670
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:00,120
Ian Ridpath far in an interview with

2671
01:59:08,540 --> 01:59:05,370
Linda Moulton Howe in 1986 warrants

2672
01:59:09,980 --> 01:59:08,550
tells Linda that he'd absorbed

2673
01:59:12,290 --> 01:59:09,990
Adrienne's account because it needed to

2674
01:59:15,820 --> 01:59:12,300
be told and that if it turned out not to

2675
01:59:18,650 --> 01:59:15,830
be true is because Adrienne lied to him

2676
01:59:20,420 --> 01:59:18,660
Gary Heseltine states categorically

2677
01:59:22,790 --> 01:59:20,430
there is no evidence that were in his

2678
01:59:25,669 --> 01:59:22,800
light it's just a fatal attraction thing

2679
01:59:31,790 --> 01:59:25,679
on my account and besotted with

2680
01:59:40,700 --> 01:59:31,800
and also I'm mentally oh here he is on

2681
01:59:42,740 --> 01:59:40,710
CC ends livestream with Joe Lomas and so

2682
01:59:45,979 --> 01:59:42,750
in a sense they have budget witnessed

2683
01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:45,989
this in many cases in my opinion and

2684
01:59:51,800 --> 01:59:48,570
they are just out to destroy and he's

2685
01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:51,810
led by one certain woman who I think was

2686
01:59:57,800 --> 01:59:54,690
a sick of fun had a crush on him I said

2687
02:00:00,200 --> 01:59:57,810
this before even Larry's ex-wife would

2688
02:00:02,780 --> 02:00:00,210
go to conferences and see this person

2689
02:00:04,790 --> 02:00:02,790
before that person flipped and say is

2690
02:00:07,820 --> 02:00:04,800
that people in court said is that like

2691
02:00:10,520 --> 02:00:07,830
his wife thinking that this lady was now

2692
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:10,530
the number watch all was his wife well

2693
02:00:15,410 --> 02:00:13,770
that's kind of sexual into where we're

2694
02:00:17,720 --> 02:00:15,420
going with this that there's something

2695
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:17,730
that's happened and she will say all

2696
02:00:21,979 --> 02:00:18,570
these things

2697
02:00:24,500 --> 02:00:21,989
it's rubbish I didn't put two and two at

2698
02:00:26,390 --> 02:00:24,510
first together but it's clear now

2699
02:00:29,270 --> 02:00:26,400
through association when you look at the

2700
02:00:31,610 --> 02:00:29,280
screen doesn't it etc but it's quite

2701
02:00:34,910 --> 02:00:31,620
clear that the source was this number

2702
02:00:37,580 --> 02:00:34,920
one fan so while Larry Ward I'm sure I

2703
02:00:40,640 --> 02:00:37,590
did and then certainly flips and now on

2704
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:40,650
he's number one x- society's guy and

2705
02:00:44,959 --> 02:00:42,810
he's kind of these kind of fatal

2706
02:00:48,740 --> 02:00:44,969
attractions though she's not normal

2707
02:00:51,530 --> 02:00:48,750
behavior and anybody with a reasonable

2708
02:00:55,970 --> 02:00:51,540
opinion could see the level of venom

2709
02:00:58,220 --> 02:00:55,980
that it's not normal that's the end of

2710
02:01:00,590 --> 02:00:58,230
this week's two hours come back next

2711
02:01:03,110 --> 02:01:00,600
week for more there'll be new

2712
02:01:05,720 --> 02:01:03,120
information new revelations with actual

2713
02:01:07,490 --> 02:01:05,730
evidence of lies and fraud Gary

2714
02:01:09,740 --> 02:01:07,500
Heseltine is currently creating a

2715
02:01:12,350 --> 02:01:09,750
documentary to prove that Warren isn't a

2716
02:01:15,290 --> 02:01:12,360
liar while telling everyone he meets

2717
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:15,300
that I am mentally ill and obsessed with

2718
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:18,810
Larry Warren and that's folks is a hate